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To: frankis4liberty

Oops, left out this: If something like this is really on the table, the 30,000 Russian troops part is just talk. “We Ukrainians decided to be neutral ourselves, and no Russian troops!” Putin doesn’t really want the troops there — a guarantee Ukraine will not join NATO is what he truly wants. The Ukrainian leadership can’t appear to have “caved to Russian aggression” so the amendment + no Russian troops fixes that.

There is the little problem of all the arms we’re giving them, though. And then there’s the Minsk Agreement the Ukrainians refuse to implement. This last isn’t that much of an issue, though. (Although it would become an issue if Ukraine attacks again.)

Anyway, your posting this really caught my eye, as I have been thinking for some time the easiest way out of the mess there would be for Ukraine to amend their constitution thusly. Stand up and take the matter into their own hands. As it is, Ukraine is being torn apart like a ragdoll between squabbling children. Vickie Nuland yanking one arm, while Putin holds fast to the other. If they did this, I would say they’ve grown up a lot as a nation. (Ukraine had never been its very own country before. Such countries often have terrible growing pains, especially when their is outside interference.)

Again, I have been thinking it, but never thought I’d see that idea in print.


33 posted on 02/13/2022 4:25:25 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd

If neutrality is good enough for Austria, why not Ukraine?


34 posted on 02/13/2022 4:26:17 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: CatHerd
There is the little problem of all the arms we’re giving them, though. And then there’s the Minsk Agreement the Ukrainians refuse to implement.

This is just a Russian talking point. Russians themselves are not abiding by the agreement by removing illegal artillery and other weapons from Donetsk. In fact, they're shooting them at the Ukrainians every other day. Ukraine can't withdraw weapons when they're being actively shot at by the Russians who, by the way, also chase out all inspectors/investigators from the area.

Same thing with your "Putchst" bullshit in the other post. Yanukovych fled the country after having people beaten up live television in the snow, kidnapping journalists and leaving their faces a bloody mush, and threatening people with jail time for protesting, followed up finally with mass murder from snipers.

After he fled, the Ukrainian Rada voted something like 338-0 to remove him from office. Was it done completely legally? Technically no, because he needed to be charged by the Supreme Court of Ukraine first before they could do that. But who gives a shit? Ukraine has had a ton of elections since then, and each one has the Ukrainian people voting to affirm their government and resist Russian aggression.

So all this "coup" bullshit is, well, just bullshit.

Anyway, your posting this really caught my eye, as I have been thinking for some time the easiest way out of the mess there would be for Ukraine to amend their constitution thusly.

I'm sure the Ukrainians are glad to have little Putinist trolls like you to advise them on such matters.

65 posted on 02/13/2022 4:56:58 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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