Posted on 01/27/2022 8:29:31 PM PST by conservative98
...the government's case against these 14 alleged extremists relies on work done by at least a dozen government informants and undercover FBI agents whose extensive involvement in the plot calls into question whether it would have moved forward at all without the government's prodding. Some of these government actors took lead roles in organizing the supposed plot—one of the informants (Big Dan) was even paid $54,000 by the FBI.
Taken together, these and other details raise the strong possibility that the militia members were victims of entrapment on the part of the FBI.
Indeed, the revelations have prompted considerable, welcome scrutiny of the case from the mainstream media. "The FBI Investigation Into The Alleged Plot To Kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer Has Gotten Very Complicated," conceded BuzzFeed News in an in-depth examination of the available evidence published last month. And earlier this week, The New York Times acknowledged that the involvement of informants and agents had "muddled" the case:
On a rainy night in northern Michigan in September 2020, a group of armed men divided among three cars surveyed the landscape around the vacation cottage of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, considering how to kidnap her as payback for her Covid-19 lockdown measures.
Two men descended from the lead car to inspect a bridge on Route 31 in nearby Elk Rapids, assessing what was needed to blow it up to delay any police response to the house on nearby Birch Lake.
Later, after team members returned to the rural camp where they had already conducted military-style training exercises, a man identified as "Big Dan" in government documents asked the assembled group, "Everybody down with what's going on?" Another man responded, "If you are not down with the thought of kidnapping, don't sit here."
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"Big Dan" was no passive spectator: After initially alerting the authorities that he was involved in a Facebook group for militia members in which violence against police officers had been discussed, he agreed to become an informant. The government paid him $54,000 for six months' work. When the militia group surveilled Whitmer's vacation home, it was Big Dan leading the charge. According to the group's defense attorneys, Big Dan—an Iraq War veteran—took charge of training the other men in military tactics.
Smells like a rat.
Practice for 1/6.
It may not be morally right, and a lot of you here won’t want to hear it, but as a legal principle “entrapment” is almost impossible to establish.
IOW an undercover agent can instigate the entire idea of a crime you never thought of, and beg you to get involved, and if you agree in any way to help, that’s not entrapment.
You have to prove you really didn’t know there was a crime (like you were just sitting there minding your own business but they made it look like you were part of a crime) or that you would NEVER be disposed to commit the crime.
If you are enticed into some involvement, and if that involvement is criminal, that’s not entrapment.
So yes they can make up a plot out of thin air and draw you into doing anything to help, and then charge you.
They can even tell you it’s not a crime, that’s still not entrapment. If you do it and it’s a crime, it’s on you.
Total entrapment. The feds are the ones who set up and planned everything.
Too many feds with nothing to do. Try to depose a pres. set up come kids to kidnap a dufus governor. attack a stupid building with a bunch of liars in a swamp on jan 6. Delete about 90% of fed work force. due to covid.
**Unless you are Alec Baldwin...
If you put all of this into a script, it’s a two-hour Mel Brooks-comedy.
I don’t think there’s a single judge who wants the case to come up in his court because it goes off into some pretty dark corners with FBI-informers attached. Whole thing makes people gaze back over past fifty years and various episodes....wondering...were there FBI-informers mixed in as well?
Not a real surprise. The FBI needs a serious house cleaning, getting rid of most management. I would also favor moving it out of the Maryland/DC/Virginia area to someplace a little more conservative in nature like a nice red state. This would further help clean up the agency.
“They can even tell you it’s not a crime, that’s still not entrapment. If you do it and it’s a crime, it’s on you.”
I agree with this to a certain extent because I believe it’s a reasonable expectation that adult citizens should have enough knowledge of the law to keep themselves from being scammed by the police, FBI, prosecutors, the Democrat Party, BLM, Antifa, JoeBiden, etc.
It is entrapment, folks.
I finally read a variety of information on the phony Whitmer kidnapping.
IMO everybody goes down or nobody goes down, in other words “The agents of the public sector, need to quit contributing to unlawful activity under the guise of protecting the public.”
The government informant(Dan) was paid over $50,000 for 6 months of “work.”
Dan is a mercenary that works for cash just like Ray Epps.
We’ve reached a point in America where exercising your 1st & 2nd Amendment rights are now considered criminal activity.
1) If you peacefully assemble with other firearms enthusiasts- you’re now considered a militia terrorist organization?
Nope, If violence wasn’t committed then it was a peaceful event.
2) If you “blow off steam” verbally about the retarded governor of Michigan in a bar, while intoxicated- Is that hate speach, terrorism, or planning a kidnapping?
Its called free speech, which isn’t criminal its just words not violence.
3)If I drive by a property owned or mortgaged by a incompetent governor- I’m now a terrorist, insurrectionist,racist,sexist, climate destroying criminal?
“Nope, I’m just checking out the real estate in the area.”
I have come to the conclusion that the law system of the United States is so corrupt, that abolishing it would be an improvement.
It won’t ever happen because crime hysteria from a historical perspective is worse then the current virus hysteria infecting our nation.
People read & hear scary stories about crime waves, next thing that happens is our Constitutional rights disappear.
Randy Weaver was a victim of entrapment by the ATF and was ultimately acquitted of all charges against him.
Exactly like Jan. 6. Same people at FBI involved in both. The guy who organized the kidnapping got a promotion..
A jury may acquit a defendant because the jurors reject prosecutorial conduct. However, a judge is unlikely to dismiss a case because it was “entrapment”, and the description the judge gives them for entrapment will almost never apply to the facts of the case.
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