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To: Kazan

Thanks, at least you had an article to point to. Some on FR, just post crap with no backup.

I would point out a couple of issues with this article.

This website is FAR LEFT. As Reagan once said, “so far left, they’ve left America”.

The article provides very little proof of ANY US Gov plot to overthrow the Ukrainian government. There are claims about Soros. I have no idea what Soros did or didn’t do.

One thing we’ve learned over the years, is Washington can not keep a secret. Overthrowing of foreign governments, CIA plots, 9-11 black sites in Europe, all those things eventually come out. NYTIMES, WAPOST, some author, some Congress critter, makes it public.

With Ukraine, no such claims from any of those areas.

The article has a factual error. It states: “BTW, outside Kiev, there were no protests. In many parts of Ukraine, people are very pro-Russia and were happy with President Yanukovych”. This is factually wrong. I distinctly remember Lviv having protests and sending people to Kiev to join the revolution.

From wiki: “Citizens of Lviv strongly supported Viktor Yushchenko during the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election and played a key role in the Orange Revolution. Hundreds of thousands of people would gather in freezing temperatures to demonstrate for the Orange camp. Acts of civil disobedience forced the head of the local police to resign and the local assembly issued a resolution refusing to accept the fraudulent first official results.[93] Lviv remains today one of the main centres of Ukrainian culture and the origin of much of the nation’s political class.

In support of the Euromaidan movement, Lviv’s executive committee declared itself independent of the rule of President Viktor Yanukovych on 19 February 2014.[94]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv


69 posted on 01/24/2022 7:04:10 PM PST by SpeedyInTexas (Localization, not Globalization)
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To: SpeedyInTexas
This website is FAR LEFT.

That's extremely odd considering it is attacking George Soros, who is the primary billionaire funding left-wing causes in this country and worldwide.

Soros was meeting with incoming President of Ukraine before and after Ukraine revolution in 2014. He was award a medal freedom by the Ukrainian government in 2015.

Soros along with Biden administration were fully behind the revolution. That is a FACT.

Regardless, we certainly backed the incoming government after the revolution. It proceeded to cut off Russian access to the Black Sea in Crimea. Do you really think any Russian leader was going to allow that? That national security issue for the Russians.

The people in Crimea and Donbass are pro-Russian and didn't want to be ruled by Ukrainian government that was formed illegally, via revolution. Why the hell shouldn't the people in both areas have a right to either join Russia or become independent. What business is it of ours force both regions back into Ukraine>? Yes, we've been the aggressors.

And, businesses is it of ours of Russia and Germany build mutually beneficial pipeline? It's incredibly arrogant and self-serving for us to think it is any of our businees.

We've worked to screw over the Russians at every turn because there is big money involved and special interests get big money off selling weapons to Ukraine and other nations in Eastern Europe. Demonizing Russia is great for business.

We've unnecessarily made an enemy of the Russians. And, its becoming a national security issue. Meanwhile, Biden has been paid off by and is ignoring the real threat -- China. And, he is pushing Russia into the arms of the Chinese when they could be joining us in proving a global counterbalance to Chinese aggression, both financially and militarily.

The obsession with demonizing Russia is corrupt, insane and counterproductive to national security.

71 posted on 01/24/2022 7:32:36 PM PST by Kazan
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