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FOIA Request Shows Only 17,371 Deaths In England & Wales Can Be Solely Attributed to COVID
The Pulse ^ | 01/24/2022 | Nicole S. Murphy

Posted on 01/24/2022 8:20:16 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request released at the end of 2021 reveals the total number of people who died of COVID without any pre-existing conditions in England and Wales. That number is 17,371 people from the beginning of 2020 up until the end of September 2021. 

Breaking it down by each year, in 2020 there were 9,400 people that died of COVID who otherwise had no pre-existing conditions. In 2021 there were 7,971 people that died of COVID who otherwise had no pre-existing conditions. It’s important to mention that these numbers do not include the remainder of the year from October to December of 2021. 

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This means that in the last quarter of 2021, the amount of deaths that would need to take place to match 2020 would be around 1,429. Which is not far off from the 1,142 deaths that occurred from July to September in 2021 in the third quarter of the year.

The average age of those who died solely from COVID was 82.5 years of age, while the national average life expectancy is 79 years old for men, and 82.9 years of age for women. This means that life expectancy for men is actually lower than the average age of those who died from COVID without other underlying causes.

It is important to note that there was a drop in life expectancy for men of around 7 weeks throughout the pandemic. This being the first drop since the early 1980. Surprisingly, the life expectancy for women actually increased in the UK by half a week.

As a reference, during the Spanish flu the life expectancy dropped by around five years in the United Kingdom. With some reports out of the United States showing a drop in life expectancy up to 12 years for both men and women in 1918.

This information should not downplay the many deaths of those with pre-existing illnesses, disease and overall health problems that died with COVID. The elderly and vulnerable matter and protection should be focused on them as outlined in The Great Barrington Declaration.

Furthermore, many are confusing what this number means, thinking COVID was not a factor in the deaths of people with other underlying health conditions. COVID was likely a factor for some, but perhaps not all. The challenging question with this data is, and has always been, how many people die ‘with’ COVID vs ‘of’ COVID. If one tests positive for COVID while in hospital for something else, should they be a COVID death? This has never really happened with other viruses, like RSV or the flu for example.

In the United States, 95% of people who have died with COVID-19 have had at least 1 comorbidity listed as the cause of death. The average is 4 comorbidities.” Here in Ontario, Canada, health authorities have admitted to marking deaths as a COVID death when it’s not even clear if COVID was the cause.

There still needs to be a discussion and breakdown of these numbers, what they mean and how to interpret them.

Throughout the pandemic the legacy media has been constantly flashing numbers, without perhaps giving people context or clear references to stand on. It is not that the numbers shared are necessarily wrong per say. It is just a question of focus and if the information is well rounded.

See below the most recent counts of deaths in the United Kingdom on their official website as of when this article was written.

When looking at these numbers do you think it would be important to include the number of people that have died from COVID without any other underlying conditions? Again, the official UK number for this is 17,371 in England and Wales from 2020 to the end of September 2021.

Why are journalists not discussing what this could mean and how to understand more deeply what is taking place in our world when so many people clearly have chronic health issues that make them vulnerable to a virus with a high survival rate.

Finally, with a more well rounded view of those that are dying from and with COVID, do certain policies and mandates still make sense?

Update: A previous title said “in the UK”. This data only applies to England and Wales.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: covid; deaths; england; foia

1 posted on 01/24/2022 8:20:16 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Would 17k be considered a bad flu year prior to cv19?


2 posted on 01/24/2022 8:29:03 AM PST by TheDon (Resist the usurpers)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have been suspicious of the stats from the beginning, my feeling for the US is under 50k...


3 posted on 01/24/2022 8:29:24 AM PST by databoss
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4 posted on 01/24/2022 8:32:06 AM PST by PMAS (Vote with your wallets, there are 80 million of us - No China made, No Amazon)
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To: SeekAndFind

Never in recent history has the use of a preposition mattered so much more. The difference between “from” and “with” has dictated global and often draconian policies that negatively impacted the economy, our society, and our body politic.


5 posted on 01/24/2022 8:37:56 AM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: databoss
I have been suspicious of the stats from the beginning, my feeling for the US is under 50k...

So, if that is indeed found to be true, the real "Big LIE" will be the COVID death counts by Big Government and Big Media. And I would use their moniker/phrase against them.

6 posted on 01/24/2022 8:39:34 AM PST by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sorry, but still not buying it.
If they got standard hospital treatment, I will not attribute their deaths to COVID. Since upwards of 80% of people on ventilators died while less than 1% of cases resulted in death, which is an outrageous and unjustifiable statistic, anyone who was intubated can't be said to have solely died of COVID-19.

NONE!

7 posted on 01/24/2022 8:40:08 AM PST by stormhill
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To: TheDon
Would 17k be considered a bad flu year prior to cv19?

Yes, but 20K VAERS vaccine deaths would be an automatic halt to the product prior to cv19 as well.

8 posted on 01/24/2022 9:07:16 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: NohSpinZone
Never in recent history has the use of a preposition mattered so much more. The difference between “from” and “with” has dictated global and often draconian policies that negatively impacted the economy, our society, and our body politic.

Reminds me of someone's answer that depended on what the definition of "is" is.

9 posted on 01/24/2022 9:08:54 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (We are being played by forces most do not understand)
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To: SeekAndFind

My brother who died in a hospital in Birmingham, Alabama in Nov of 2020, had ONLY Covid-19 listed as cause of death on his death certificate. There was no mention of any other cause at all. Yet he was in last stage Liver failure and had for over 6 months been unable to do anything but lie in a bed and for the previous month in a nursing home bed. In a routine Covid test at the nursing home, he tested positive and they took him to the hospital where he died the next night. He was never on a respirator and the only “covid” symptom he had was shortness of breath which he had for the past year. For some reason they saw fit to list his sole cause of death as Covid. I guess we all know why they did that.


10 posted on 01/24/2022 9:39:54 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: SeekAndFind

I strongly suspect that the vast majority of “covid deaths” were people who were already about to die of some other terminal condition like cancer, emphysema, etc. and it just happened that they got the cold currently named “covid” and it pushed them over the edge instead of the usual suspects like pneumonia, the flu, getting slightly cold, a fly buzzing in the room, etc. I just got over the cold they named “covid” and it was a nothingburger.


11 posted on 01/24/2022 10:54:02 AM PST by Mr. Rabbit
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To: frogjerk

Getting there will require an epic re-addressing of our entire structure.


12 posted on 01/24/2022 11:02:28 AM PST by databoss
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To: SeekAndFind

OK, but how many of those can be directly attributed to a deadly medical protocol instead of sound medical practice?


13 posted on 01/24/2022 11:03:19 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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