“We have the right to citizen arrest people whom we witness committing crimes. You just don’t like it.”
Years ago I was an armed security guard. I’m not claiming to be an expert, but I do know what the laws say in my state and what the entire legal premise of “citizen’s arrest” is. You do not.
Seeing a video of a crime does not grant you that authority. You must be an eye witness, maintain a continuous line of sight of the perp, you must be sure the crime meets the statutory requirements of the state where the crime occurred, and you must act at the time of the crime you witnessed. After that it is in the hands of duly appointed officers of the law.
Here is the specific law in D.C.:
https://code.dccouncil.us/us/dc/council/code/sections/23-582
Like everywhere else, citizen’s arrest only allows you to hold a criminal in order to turn him over to law enforcement. Hunting down a person who committed a crime (possibly) in D.C. and arresting him in another state is NOWHWERE considered a lawful exercise of the rights of a citizen to arrest a suspected criminal. It has NOTHING to do with how I feel about, or how YOU feel about it for that matter.
Ray Epps resides in Arizona. Here is the pertinent law regarding becoming an accessory to the crime of kidnapping which you are arguing for:
https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/00303.htm
If you solicit, command, advise, or aid someone who decides to kidnap Ray Epps, you could be criminally liable as well as the kidnapper. (And that is exactly what someone. Attempting to “citizen’s arrest Epps would be charged with, along with trespassing, unlawful restraint, and any other of many charges including for whatever weapons are used, crossing state lines, etc.)
I advise not to attempt such a thing against Epps, and I advise not to encourage others to do so, because BOTH could lead to your incarceration and criminal charges being filed against you.
You can choose to take my advice or ignore it.
Beyond that I don’t feel our discussion on this topic is serving any further purpose. Thanks for your time. Good luck.
Years ago I was an armed security guard.
***So was I. And I citizen-arrested only one person.
I’m not claiming to be an expert,
***Then why bother putting that into a sentence?
but I do know what the laws say in my state
***I don’t care about your state unless it’s the state that Ray Epps committed his crime in. Most likely that’s in DC which isn’t even a state.
and what the entire legal premise of “citizen’s arrest” is.
***I know it as well. Every state has provision for citizens’ arrest.
You do not.
***I do, you do not. You really enjoy this thing where you just assert something and we should all genuflect before you just because you said it.
Seeing a video of a crime does not grant you that authority.
***The LAW grants you that authority. The VIDEO is evidence.
You must be an eye witness,
***Not true. Video is enough evidence.
maintain a continuous line of sight of the perp,
***Not true at all.
you must be sure the crime meets the statutory requirements of the state where the crime occurred,
***No you don’t have to. It is best if it does meet those statutory requirements but the reasonable person standard exists as it pertains to the citizen arrest laws in all 50 states.
and you must act at the time of the crime you witnessed.
***Not true at all. Cops expect to interview you.
After that it is in the hands of duly appointed officers of the law.
***CUSTODY is where the perp gets put into the hands of duly appointed officers of the law. When the alleged crime is a felony, the officers have no choice but to take the person into custody. I just have a strong inkling you didn’t know that.
Here is the specific law in D.C.:
https://code.dccouncil.us/us/dc/council/code/sections/23-582
***From your link:
(b) A private person may arrest another —
(1) who he has probable cause to believe is committing in his presence —
(A) a felony; or
(B) an offense enumerated in section 23-581(a)(2); or
(2) in aid of a law enforcement officer or special policeman, or other person authorized by law to make an arrest.
(c) Any person making an arrest pursuant to this section shall deliver the person arrested to a law enforcement officer without unreasonable delay.
Like everywhere else, citizen’s arrest only allows you to hold a criminal in order to turn him over to law enforcement.
***Notice that you are no longer saying that such a person citizen-arresting another is gonna go to prison? Because you were wrong.
Hunting down a person who committed a crime (possibly) in D.C. and arresting him in another state is NOWHWERE considered a lawful exercise of the rights of a citizen to arrest a suspected criminal.
***Bullshiite. That’s how bounty hunters make their living.
It has NOTHING to do with how I feel about, or how YOU feel about it for that matter.
***You’re just a lying sack of shiite and you just made that up.
Ray Epps resides in Arizona.
***Then citizen-arrest him in Arizona for the FEDERAL crime of insurrection. Duhh.
Here is the pertinent law regarding becoming an accessory to the crime of kidnapping
***You are completely full of shiite. I am arguing for citizen arrest. You’re one of those people who just plain argues against the strawman, a straw argument. Because you don’t know how to argue your real case.
which you are arguing for:
https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/00303.htm
***No I am not arguing for that so quit using the logical fallacy of straw argumentation.
If you solicit, command, advise, or aid someone
***In citizen-arresting Ray Epps, then I aided someone in citizen-arresting Ray Epps, not this bullshiite straw argument of kidnapping. Geez, get over yourself.
who decides to kidnap Ray Epps,
***You could have just now aided and abbetted a Timothy McVeigh because of your ridiculous and hopeless legal “advice” so they go hunting down FBI informants all due to the fact that they believed your bullshiite about not being able to citizen-arrest them. See how ridiculous this line of argumentation becomes? No, you won’t see, because you’re just a petulant bootlicking troll.
you could be criminally liable as well as the kidnapper.
***Best of luck with that. You’ll be liable for the next Timothy McVeigh.
(And that is exactly what someone. Attempting to “citizen’s arrest Epps would be charged with,
***Horse shiite. Get over yourself.
along with trespassing,
***I say, let them try.
unlawful restraint,
***It is not unlawful if you citizen-arrest them and turn them over to the custody of the local police. You just plain have no idea how gigantic that duhh factor is.
and any other of many charges
***There you go again with that upholding wussiness as if it were some kind of virtue.
including for whatever weapons are used, crossing state lines, etc.)
***Now you’re just throwing around whataboutisms. Perhaps that makes you feel important or sumthin.
I advise not to attempt
***I advise you to pull your head out.
such a thing against Epps,
***Epps deserves it and I would do it if I had the wherewithal. You are just a coward.
and I advise not to encourage others to do so,
***I advise you to stick your cowardice where the sun don’t shine.
because BOTH could lead to your incarceration and criminal charges being filed against you.
***You really are full of yourself, aincha? I feel sorry for your domestic partner.
You can choose to take my advice or ignore it.
***You can choose to pull your head out or leave it there. I doubt you can choose to let go of your cowardice, however, because it has grown so strong within you.
Beyond that I don’t feel our discussion on this topic is serving any further purpose.
***Oh, cool. Because your kind of cowardice is exactly what conservatism does not need.
Thanks for your time. Good luck.
***Good luck pulling it out. I’m sure there are plenty of freepers who can give you advice on that.