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Russia says Ukraine talks hit 'dead end', Poland warns of risk of war
Reuters ^ | January 13, 2022 | Thomas Escritt and Tom Balmforth

Posted on 01/14/2022 5:07:01 PM PST by McGruff

Poland's foreign minister said on Thursday that Europe was at risk of plunging into war as Russia said it was not yet giving up on diplomacy but that military experts were preparing options in case tensions over Ukraine could not be defused.

In Washington, the White House said the threat of a Russian invasion of Ukraine remained high with some 100,000 Russian troops deployed and the United States would make public within 24 hours intelligence suggesting Russia might seek to invent a pretext to justify one.

"The drumbeat of war is sounding loud, and the rhetoric has gotten rather shrill," Michael Carpenter, U.S. Ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), said after talks with Russia in Vienna.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: nato; poland; russia; ukraine
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To: allendale

The best time for military action in that region is February when the ground is frozen hard and it’s easiest for armor to move around. NATO knows this thus the urgency to get Russia to stand down.

My money is Russia attacks Ukraine before February 15.


61 posted on 01/14/2022 6:36:37 PM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Agreed.


62 posted on 01/14/2022 6:39:57 PM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: McGruff

Biden needs a war to save his presidency - don’t forget this fact!!!


63 posted on 01/14/2022 6:41:09 PM PST by elpadre ( ying them.)
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To: caww

Who do you think did it?


64 posted on 01/14/2022 7:03:53 PM PST by laplata
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To: crz

“It aint no business of ours..stay to hell outta there”.

That’s right. Let Europe deal with it.


65 posted on 01/14/2022 7:05:57 PM PST by laplata
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Obama helped stage a coup against the pro-Russian president of Ukraine in 2014.

I see marching NATO up to Russia’s doorstep as I would Russia making Mexico a client state and stationing troops there.

I’m against Obama. You?


66 posted on 01/14/2022 7:16:56 PM PST by Az Joe ("Scratch a Liberal, and a Fascist bleeds")
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To: dfwgator
" Poland is the wildcard here. If Russia moves into Eastern Ukraine, Poland most likely will not sit idly by, they may move into Western Ukraine, "

then Deutschland moves East to recover it's ancient lands !!!

67 posted on 01/14/2022 8:00:27 PM PST by crazy scenario (The burden of Damascus is next!)
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To: elpadre
" Biden needs a war to save his presidency - don’t forget this fact!!! "

Biden needs a war pudding & bigger depends to save his presidency - don’t forget this fact!!!

68 posted on 01/14/2022 8:04:50 PM PST by crazy scenario (The burden of Damascus is next!)
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To: MercyFlush
It is possible that Russia and China may coordinate their attacks on Ukraine and China. The Western European militaries are little more than social engineering experiments. Maybe the French military isn't too woke, but the British, German, and Dutch armies would be routed if they attempted to support the Ukrainians. The U.S. military may opt to concentrate on the Chinese situation as Taiwan is more important than Ukraine. American naval and air power would be more useful in a war with China, with less reliance on our woke ground forces.

Then there is the composition of both the U.S. and other NATO militaries. Women, both real and trannie, homosexuals, and the marginally fit will ensure a debacle for NATO. The Russians will rout them as surely as the sun rises in the east. Poland may see the handwriting on the wall and take some portion of Western Ukraine that was under Polish rule before 1945 and in the more distant past. Romania may come to an agreement with the Russians to annex Moldova in exchange for not supporting NATO moves. The Slovaks may attempt to take back eastern territories that were annexed by the USSR in 1945. In other words, NATO's eastern flank may crumble if the Russians move on Ukraine.

69 posted on 01/14/2022 8:23:19 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

As far as the risk of war goes, if there is anyway Biden and the Democrat Party can get us in a nuclear war with Russia, We are in one. Back in 2015-16, the Nation’s beloved Hillary Clinton tried her best to get us in a nuclear war with Russia. But the unexpected election of President Trump forestalled it. Now is a different time and circumstance. In 2020 the Republican and Democrat Party leaders said, “Hell with this! We will not have this honest Man leading us any longer”! So they executed a Coup and threw him out. And the People loved them for it.


70 posted on 01/14/2022 8:49:59 PM PST by sport
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To: laplata

That’s how I see it. Just stop interfering in those nations conflicts who are always in conflict.


71 posted on 01/14/2022 9:13:37 PM PST by caww ( )
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To: sport

They want a war because they can pass all kinds of Sedition Laws, they can jail Trump supporters on the basis that they give “Aid and Comfort to Russia”, without so much as a trial.


72 posted on 01/14/2022 9:14:44 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: caww

Exactly.


73 posted on 01/14/2022 9:18:39 PM PST by laplata
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To: dfwgator

I agree. Democrats are evil incarnate.


74 posted on 01/14/2022 9:29:50 PM PST by sport
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To: Az Joe
Obama helped stage a coup

I'm against Russia, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, China, Iran, etc etc etc. You?

As for this stupid sh** about the coup. There were people being beaten on live TV and stripped naked in the snow. Yanukovych had to bring in Russian orcs and goblins to beat and shoot people on his behalf because his own forces started to refuse orders. When it became too much, he fled the country before he could be impeached, which was followed by--at this point--several elections, all with Ukrainians repeatedly spitting in the face of Russia and its trolls, much to the chagrin of the Putinists here who want us to believe that Putin is a Christian Saint because he-- in a country that has mass man on man rape in its military to the point that there are mass numbers of suicides each year in the military-- hates the gays!

75 posted on 01/14/2022 10:37:21 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DesertRhino

“fly to Kiev”

We can fly together, and you can join up with the Russkies and get some gay rape going on:

“That day, [the officers] promised to turn me out. They warned me that, like, they’ll rape me,” the Baza news website quoted Shamsutdinov as saying.

“I know they’d turned all the other young ones out before me. If that evening was my turn, I had nowhere to go, what should I have done?” Shamsutdinov reportedly said.

His father, Salimzhan Shamsutdinov, said earlier in the day that “constant, prolonged” hazing drove his son to carry out the mass shooting.”

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/06/they-warned-theyll-rape-me-russian-soldier-stands-by-mass-shooting-a68062

Some more:

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2020/02/high-suicide-rate-plagues-russian-military-lawmaker-says

“He explained how over a period of time, while he was serving as a conscript here in St. Petersburg, he was forced into male prostitution. It was his superiors who made him do this, the people who are traditionally known in the Russian army as ‘dyedi’, or ‘uncles’,” Yezheleva said. “They beat him, and then they gave him a telephone, he arranged a meeting with the client and discussed the price. He went and carried out these functions and then he took the money from the client and gave it to his superiors.”

“Pavel, who has asked that his real name not be revealed, claimed he endured the abuse for several months before approaching the Union of Soldiers’ Mothers Committees, a nationwide group that protects the rights of conscripts in the Russian military. Pavel has written a statement and filed a case in the courts, although no date has been set for a preliminary reading.

“You’re In The Army Now

“Yezheleva said she has heard of few cases where conscripts were forced into prostitution to earn money for their superiors. But she said rape and abuse in the military is not unusual.”

https://www.rferl.org/a/1075412.html

An oldie but one you’d call a goldie:

“According to Andrei Mironov of the Russian human rights organization Memorial, as cited by Miriam Lanskoy of Boston University, Russian forces stationed in Chechnya recently committed an organized mass rape of Chechen civilian males. During a fact-finding trip to the North Caucasus, Mironov learned of an incident which took place earlier this month: “Over 700 men (I was given a list of 762 names) were taken to a field. They [the Russian soldiers] raped a woman in front of them.” The Russian troops, Mironov related, then taunted the Chechen men, calling on them to defend the woman’s honor. Those who intervened, sixty-two men, were themselves then “handcuffed to an armored personnel carrier, and publicly raped.” “Never before have I heard about public rape,” Mironov commented, “Of course, people were systematically raped in prisons and detention centers, and [in] military units. This was intended to break their character. But now this is being done in public.” Mironov added that many of the Chechen men who had been publicly raped vowed that they would now become suicide attackers (Eurasianet, July 19).”

https://jamestown.org/program/mass-rape-of-chechen-men-by-federal-forces-2/

By the way, I am a pure blooded American. Considering your insistence on quoting Russian propaganda almost word for word, and then dishonestly painting them as your own thoughts on this forum (like that time you were saying “Russia is just moving their forces on their own territory!” which was being said by the Russian military spokesman at the time), not to mention your general dishonest and propagandistic vibe on this forum—like you’re on a fookin mission to prop up Russia—I seriously doubt you’re an American at all! Well, I guess you COULD be a geriatric with a mail in Russian bride and you feel compelled to repeat Russian TV talking points for some reason lol.


76 posted on 01/14/2022 11:00:56 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Sorry Uke nazi. I missed it again, when did you serve in the US Armed forces? Never...right?
And I notice plenty of times you track perfectly with Nuland, McCain, Fiona Hill, Yovanovitch, Vindman, Clinton, and Obama with your statements.
Grow up with your BS.


77 posted on 01/14/2022 11:12:11 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

And I’m guessing you’re a first generation anchor baby from Ukes who came here. Those kinda kids are always radicalized because they romanticize the old country. You never served. Now go put on your tracksuit and posture elsewhere sport.
You people are trashing up my country.

Like the Vindman twins. I bet you think they were patriots.


78 posted on 01/14/2022 11:16:47 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: DesertRhino
And I notice plenty of times you track perfectly with Nuland, McCain, Fiona Hill,

Oh yeah? Quote me. And then I'll quote you from the most recent tweet out of some retarded Russian spokesman on twitter.

Uke Nazi

If you were against Nazis, how come you go silent when I post photos of Russian soldiers and "separatist" leaders wearing actual Swastikas and Jewish Ukrainians blaming Russians for anti-Semitic attacks?

And you morons can't even get your ethnic slurs right. One of your buddies called me "Juan" because I am Spanish, and here you are using anti-Ukrainian slurs and ranting about first generations Ukrainians as if you know anything! (You DON'T, because you're a fake expert who just regurgitates Russian twitter and Russian official statements! You're a fraud! A fake! A big, fat, dumb phony!)

At least get together and get your slurs right and consistent!

79 posted on 01/14/2022 11:35:51 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Ok Juan. That explains why you get so emotional so fast LOL.


80 posted on 01/14/2022 11:40:27 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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