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To: naturalman1975
I think you misunderstand some things and make apples to oranges comparisons. Most U.S. people you refer to when talking about border security are talking about people who cross the border to liver permanently, or at least long term. Not people who enter for a competition, or vacation, or a short term reason.

Also, most U.S. have no problems criticizing their own government, where you seem to believe that a citizen of a country has to support a government's actions no matter what. You believe criticizing any actions by the Australian government makes you a bad Australian. Most U.S. wouldn't feel the same, or would actually feel the opposite here.

33 posted on 01/14/2022 12:44:37 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I think you misunderstand some things and make apples to oranges comparisons. Most U.S. people you refer to when talking about border security are talking about people who cross the border to liver permanently, or at least long term. Not people who enter for a competition, or vacation, or a short term reason.

Possibly. But I'm using the term 'border security' in the way it is used in Australia and it's not just about permanent immigration and I honestly do no understand why any American would think it is. I'm fairly sure the 9/11 hijackers weren't permanent residents of the United States. For border security to actually mean anything, it needs to cover temporary visitors as well as permanent ones. And based on my experience when I've visited the United States, that really does seem to be the way it works. It's not exactly easy to get into the United States as a tourist from Australia - nor should it be. And when I go there, I damned well follow all America's rules and would never dream of thinking I had any right not to.

Also, most U.S. have no problems criticizing their own government, where you seem to believe that a citizen of a country has to support a government's actions no matter what.

Absolutely not. I criticise my government's actions constantly when they deserve it. I just don't believe in criticising it based on false information and foreign propaganda. And that is what is happening all too often here. One of the big problems here is that the AUSTRALIAN government is constantly being attacked on Freerepublic for actions it opposes and had no part in, but were instead actions taken by STATE governments. I want the criticism directed to the actual governments responsible - not aimed at the people who aren't responsible. Blaming the wrong people just helps lets the actual problem people get away with what they are doing.

You believe criticizing any actions by the Australian government makes you a bad Australian.

No, that's not even remotely true.

But I think criticising the Australian government for actions undertaken by (for example) the Victorian government (which is NOT the same government) is ignorant, stupid, and dangerous, and is putting my country at serious risk. We are lucky enough to have a conservative national government in Australia. Unlike the United States. Unlike Canada, as well.

And too many people on Freerepublic are attacking it for things it hasn't done and letting the hard left socialists avoid being blamed for what they are doing.

The Australian government hasn't imposed a single lockdown. The Australian government hasn't imposed a single vaccine mandate within Australia (it has done so with regards to entry to Australia, but not within Australia). As far as I know, the Australian government has not put a single person in quarantine for COVID in Australia (on that last one I'm not absolutely certain there hasn't been a single case, because there are some reasons it could be done, but I haven't heard of any).

But it's constantly being attacked for supposedly doing all these things.

36 posted on 01/14/2022 1:39:14 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: nickcarraway
Note - I still would prefer Djokovic would be able to play. I just want it to happen in a way that avoids damaging Australia's border security. There are actually legitimate ways that could happen.

For example, Judge Kelly (who does look like he's going to take the case on an expedited basis) could issue a bridging visa that allows Djokovic to play and let the actual border security issues be addressed at a later date. I think he could also do this with an injunction but I'm not absolutely sure on that - I am trained in law, but I'm not an actual lawyer and court procedure is complex.

Judge Kelly could also rule, as an example, that the specific rule on no exemption being given for having had COVID is unreasonable, in a way that doesn't deny the general principle that the Commonwealth government has the power to set rules. That one would be problematic in a lot of ways, but it wouldn't actually damage overall border protection law - just one specific regulation.

There may be other mechanisms as well. My point is, there are potential ways of handling this that don't endanger Australian border security law or policy.

But what really irritates me is the people who seem to think this shouldn't be important. Or who are ascribing motives to it that ignore these issues.

37 posted on 01/14/2022 1:50:49 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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