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Republican Sen. Mike Rounds rejects Trump's claims about 2020: 'The election was fair' (safely reelected)
News.yahoo.com ^ | 1/9/22 | John L. Dorman

Posted on 01/10/2022 2:18:50 AM PST by cotton1706

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To: wita

The waiting is over.....

I heard yesterday that John Thune is going to run again.


21 posted on 01/10/2022 4:44:09 AM PST by Lakeside Granny (Vote RED~R.emove E.very D.emocrat~D&S)
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To: RBW in PA

Ridiculous, a civil war is exactly what the dims/libs have been pushing for.

Bye-done would declare Martial Law so fast your head would spin.

They are looking for an excuse to round us Patriots all up and lock us in the FEMA camps or worse execute us on the spot.

Why do you think the terms “Domestic Terrorist” and “White Supremist” drip from their mouths?


22 posted on 01/10/2022 4:59:35 AM PST by Lakeside Granny (Vote RED~R.emove E.very D.emocrat~D&S)
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To: fatman6502002

The only time anything good gets done legislatively etc... is when the R’s control the Presidency, Senate & House.
***We had that, with Trump as prez. It was amazing that about a dozen times the GOP passed repeal of obambamcare when they knew obambam would veto it. As soon as it became REAL, they couldn’t pass repeal. Useless. Time to jettison the GOP altogether just like the Whigs.


23 posted on 01/10/2022 5:04:12 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Sooth2222

Ive seen some things regarding the election and its wasnt very fair. Is it fair to send away observers? Count ballots in the middle of the night unsupervised? Send ballots everywhere and lets 3rd parties collect them and bring them to their dedicated fraudsters?

Whats strange as time goes by public opinion has slowly gotten behind the idea Joe cheated... the more folks like this, who claim “fair as its ever been” on TV .....the more skepticism is created.....even rational liberals will roll their eyes.


24 posted on 01/10/2022 5:08:02 AM PST by MrRelevant
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To: Kevmo

Again you ignore all the good that was done. I agree obamacare was a huge loss but there’s really just one R to blame for that, John McCain and he’s now dead so it’s really best to focus on the current battles rather than lament what one R did to undercut his entire country to satisfy his own personal grudge.

Again, forest for the trees, some of you simply cannot focus on the present and near future, you just have to keep wasting time and energy lamenting the past.

The R Party is presently being transformed by President Trump into a party willing to fight the political war against Democrat Communism by endorsing and supporting R candidates willing to commit to the MAGA Agenda. One can either help him in this endeavor by focusing on the present political battles that need to be won, or one can be emotional and whine about what weaklings in the R party did to screw us again. The only way to get rid of those kinds of assistant D’s is to campaifn against them, whining about the past isn’t going to get it done or win any of these battles.

Think about that, if your goal is really to restore the Republic.


25 posted on 01/10/2022 5:19:44 AM PST by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: fatman6502002

Your post is fallacious.

Trump lacks the will or the ability to fight. He lost his job simply because he refused to take on his political enemies and draw the necessary blood. His enemies are all still alive and functioning and looking forward to kicking his undefended ass again

He was in fact a great President but he lost his job because he would not attack and destroy hie enemies.


26 posted on 01/10/2022 5:25:56 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) California needs Zorro to destroy the neoNobility corruption)
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To: cotton1706

Consider yourself primaried, pal!


27 posted on 01/10/2022 5:28:00 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: fatman6502002

Again you ignore all the good that was done.
***No I don’t. That was just the first example which comes to mind and it shoots down your assertion.

I agree obamacare was a huge loss
***Then work backwards against your own assertion and take a look. You are simply wrong.

but there’s really just one R to blame for that,
***There were other republicans besides McCain who followed the uniparty stance.

John McCain and he’s now dead so it’s really best to focus
***Blaming it on one guy isn’t going to get us anywhere. The blame rests on the uniparty branch of the GOP. They also were the ones who undermined Trump. What a coincidence, eh?

on the current battles rather than lament what one R did to undercut his entire country to satisfy his own personal grudge.
***What you did right there was to set up an elaborate straw argument. Because McCainiack wasn’t alone. Pretending like it was all his fault is like pretending only one democrat owned slaves.

Again, forest for the trees,
***Again, RINO bullshiite upon GOPerisms.

some of you simply cannot focus
***Some of you are simply RINOs. Apologists. GOPes. Statists.

on the present and near future, you just have to keep wasting time and energy lamenting the past.
***You seem to be one of those incapable of LEARNING from the past.

The R Party is presently being transformed by President Trump into a party willing to fight the political war against Democrat Communism by endorsing and supporting R candidates willing to commit to the MAGA Agenda.
***One can hope.

One can either help him in this endeavor by focusing on the present political battles that need to be won, or one can be emotional and whine about what weaklings in the R party did to screw us again.
***False dilemma. Classic fallacy. Oh and BTW, where is your argument that this whole thing fell on ONE guy, McCAIN? Now you acknowledge the problem is “weaklings in the R party”. Why didn’t you acknowledge it above when you used your elaborate straw argument?

The only way to
***Fallacy. False dilemma. There are plenty of ways to deal with a problem.

get rid of those kinds of assistant D’s
***NOW you’re on board with battling assistant democraps?

is to campaifn against them,
***I have been conducting such campaigns and I seem to constantly run into bullshiite artists and unipartisan cheerbullies like you.

whining about the past isn’t going to get it done or win any of these battles.
***Browbeating those who have been right all along isn’t going to get it done either, sparky.

Think about that,
***Think about your own ridiculous positions, GOPeRINO.

if your goal is really to restore the Republic.
***That right there is a mouthful. I really doubt you think the republic is actually lost because you follow the standard cheerbullyeader stance of not thinking issues through. So you’re spouting off a talking point without knowing what it actually means.


28 posted on 01/10/2022 5:42:56 AM PST by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: fatman6502002

I would add that my responses are not based on emotion either, it’s based on pass actions and evidence.

The R’s had the take over of Congress in 1994 led by Newt Gingric and failed to produce much, they had all the power under Bush 43 and failed, they had all power under Trump and screwed him.

They had the Tea Party who collectively gave the R’s, the Congress, Senate and Presidency and took over of multiple states and still nothing on the major issues. Heck the National GOP can’t even agree on what the major issues are, Trump has laid out a clear roadmap of how to gain the majority by growing the base and win power for a long time and people like Mike Rounds appear to be eager to throw it all away....

I will say, the R’s taking multiple states has been impressive, Texas and Florida are prime examples, the GOP on the National Level is still far too cozy with Democrats, China, and Big Business...


29 posted on 01/10/2022 5:54:49 AM PST by srmanuel (`)
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To: dfwgator

“Consider yourself primaried, pal!”

They don’t say these things until they’re safely reelected. He just was in 2020. He can now freely act as a McConnell minion.


30 posted on 01/10/2022 5:58:54 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: bert

“.......but he lost his job because he would not attack and destroy hie enemies.”

Thats not why he lost. The election was stolen period end of story. if not for the ballot stuffing the democrat communists and the USPS and many in the fed bureauracy did, President Trump would have won won of the largest landslides in history and would still be President today.

Obviously you’ve not sat in a big chair, what I mean is a person that must make strategic decisions. I say that because you seem to be saying that President Trump should have fought every battle that presented itself, won them all and at the same time destroy the democrat party.

The fact is, if you really believe that then you’ve had no experience make the trade offs which come with every strategic decision. President Trump had finite resources with which to do battle, thus battles have to be fought have to be chosen properly because one never has enough resources to fight and win every battle.
You also do not seem to understand that even when one picks the correct battles to fight, well, real live is never neat or perfect and sometimes the other side wins a battle, remember they’re were fighting back against President Trump and they had the DoJ, FBI, CIA, JCoS, communists democrat judges in the judiciary, a majority of the federal bureaucracy, 90% of the news media and all of social media fighting against President Trump on every single issue because with all that aligned against him the nearly did have no limits on their resources, think about Zuckerberg bought the election with his $300 million donation to local communist democrat orgs who were then hired by the communist democrats who ran the elections in their areas and they hired fellow communist democrats who did the ballot stuffing, I mean ballot harvesting, ilegally I might add, and after kicking out the election count observers the same people then counted the votes in secret with no oversight, again I might add, ilegally. Thus you’re belief that President Trump should have fought every battle and crushed all of his enemies is a fantasy at best and proves you have little real understanding or comprehension of what goes on, and what is involved in making strategic decisions.

The fact is you’re just out of your depth, completely; you really have no clue about the subject upon which you’re attempting to converse. Go do some serious reading, may I suggest Sun Tzu: The Art of War; Saul Alinsky: Rules for Radicals; Donald Trump: The Art of the Deal; Thomas Paine: Common Sense; The Federalist Papers and The Anti-Federalist Papers, these are to start with, there is so much more for you to learn but start your quest now, it’s never to late to start learning.


31 posted on 01/10/2022 6:05:20 AM PST by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: srmanuel

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

I’ve not said to forget the past in anway shape or form. History must be used as a guide, you’re making judgements about today’s R party based on what happened in the past, not by what is actually happening NOW. I agree it is important to know about the past but more in the sense of how we can use it to point out the kinds of smooth talking well coifed pols whom are going to screw us so we can avoid them, that’s my point about the kinds of things remembering the past can help us do.

By continuously pointing out what previous R controlled congresses did to screw us, and just being relentless about it to the point you try to drum out all of the good that Trump did get the Congress to do during the first half of his term, remember the communist dems took control of the House after the 2018 midterms, and you’re simply ignoring the changing landscape of the electoral base and the changing nature of the R’s starting to win primaries and general elections, now, at this time in history. By relentlesly hammering the R’s for their past failures you simply help do the communist dems bidding, as your words and posts have the effect of lowering our morale and possibly convincing others that its over and its time to surrender. Stop helping the Republic’s enemies and start helping the one person of note whom is really fighting the battle for us.

Although the transformation of the R party into a fighting party has been going on now for a few years, this kind of party transformation takes many election cycles and President Trump and the R base have just gotten started. And people like you are not helping us to get MAGA candidates elected and flush out the remaing remnants of establishment/Bush/war monger elements of the R party so the MAGA agenda can be passe legislatively. If you’re not going to help us in this endeavor then STFU and get outta the way.


32 posted on 01/10/2022 6:25:46 AM PST by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: cotton1706
The South Dakota Republican

what is happening to the GOP in S. Dakota?

33 posted on 01/10/2022 6:30:53 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: fatman6502002

I hammer the Republican Party for past failures because I have the belief, unless you can clean up your own house you can’t go forward with a winning agenda, you have too constantly know why you are in the current situation to begin with before you can fix it.

I don’t live in Missouri, I believe in the “Show Me” before I will buy in completely.

The one thing I 100% reject from you post is the following:

You said the following: And people like you are not helping us to get MAGA candidates elected and flush out the remaing remnants of establishment/Bush/war monger elements of the R party so the MAGA agenda can be passe legislatively. If you’re not going to help us in this endeavor then STFU and get outta the way.

I respond by saying that is not only wrong but you lack the knowledge to know, you don’t know me or what I do to further the MAGA cause.

I have donated significant money to MAGA candidates, I volunteered for the Trump campaign, I volunteer as an election worker to ensure we have free and fair elections in my geographical area.

I could keep going, I would say you are the one who is hurting the cause by accusing people who offer a different viewpoint of damaging the cause.

If you want to keep this discussion going great, if you want to keep thrown out insults and accusations without facts, then you are acting like a typical democrat arguing with emotions and lack critical thinking.


34 posted on 01/10/2022 6:46:25 AM PST by srmanuel (`)
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To: cotton1706

He just tested positive for RINO.


35 posted on 01/10/2022 7:09:43 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
He just tested positive for RINO.

I hear there is no cure, the disease spreads unless the host is removed from office/power.

36 posted on 01/10/2022 7:15:43 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: cotton1706
Steve Bannon just discussed Rounds on the War Room

Says it is a trial balloon sent out there by McConnell and Thune.

Bannon says that Trump blasts Rounds in a statement put out by America 1st.


37 posted on 01/10/2022 7:22:17 AM PST by Lakeside Granny (Vote RED~R.emove E.very D.emocrat~D&S)
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To: srmanuel

Once again your emotionalism is showing. I am referring specifically to the practical effect your relentless focus on R party failures has on our cause, please remember that. The fact is we all know what the failings of the Party are, both presently and in the past, therefore we need not be lectured relentlessly about them.


38 posted on 01/10/2022 7:22:42 AM PST by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: Lakeside Granny

Opps....

Not America 1st but Save America.


39 posted on 01/10/2022 7:24:03 AM PST by Lakeside Granny (Vote RED~R.emove E.very D.emocrat~D&S)
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To: srmanuel

You betray a lack of strategic logic and understanding, to wit, quoting from your post:

“I have donated significant money to MAGA candidates, I volunteered for the Trump campaign,.......”

I would simply ask you this: if you do all that and a bunch of other good stuff to advance the MAGA agenda, as you claim, and you support the Trump/MAGA candidates all of whom are R’s then why do you keep undercutting all those good actions, and the MAGA candidates arguments by relentlessly focusing your messaging in ways that will undercut support for the Trump MAGA Agenda and the MAGA R Candidates all of which you claim to support? I mean please answer that point, I beg of you. I mean you keep giving people reasons they should not support the R Party when all the MAGA Candidates that support the Trump/MAGA Agenda are R’s, so why burden them with the failures of the past? These are the new R’s, yes some will be failures but again perfection is unobtainable so once they’re identified they’re primaried as we are doing to the long time assistant democrats now inhabiting the party.

Again, we all know about the past and present failures of the R party, this is precisely why President Trump and his Deplorable army within the R base are working to remove those whom are the problems.

If you cannot understand that simple point then this conversation is moot and simply a waste of time.

The takeover of the R party and making it into a MAGA entity capable and able to fight the political fight against democrat communism cannot be done in one or two election cycles, it is a relatively long term endeavor, at least most of the time; its taken the communist dems almost 60 years to take over the D party to the extent that many of their members will say the quiet stuff out loud.

This kind of party take over takes time and we need high moral in order to win, we don’t need lessons about the R party failures from those on our side when we hear enough about them from the communist democrat party’s ministry of propaganda, otherwise known as the mainstream media. Why do you use rhetoric that helps our enemy? This ain’t rocket science.

So please rethink your willingness to constantly and relentlessly call our attention to the R party failures, again, we know all about them, that’s why we’re on Team Trump/MAGA helping him rid ourselves of those in the R Party whom are not on the MAGA team. Why would you want to make that a harder chore.


40 posted on 01/10/2022 7:30:14 AM PST by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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