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My Debate with an ICU Doctor About the Possible Dangers of the COVID-19 Vaccine
Townhall.com ^ | January 9, 2022 | Wayne Allyn Root

Posted on 01/09/2022 3:41:12 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Brian Griffin
If you ran into me with your car, I would sue you. And you would call your insurance company, and their lawyers would handle the case. I would hopefully get a check from your insurer.

Cause car accidents are exactly like the covids.

#MoreRetardationFromThePeanutGallery


61 posted on 01/09/2022 7:16:16 AM PST by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: brookwood

Della and Alpha killed 850000 people in the US.
_______________________________

I work with a Della.... YIKES. Thank goodness I work remote.

Seriously, the numbers above are not correct.

The numbers above represent people who “died with” as opposed to “died from” Covid.

CDC cited in the Fall of 2020 only 6% of the numbers that the MEDIA and GOVT Covid death list truly died from covid itself.

94% of folks dying are dying from their co-morbidities which average 4 in number.

FEAR is being pumped into the minds of citizens every single day.

I remember when Delta first came out, they said “This is a mild variant, more contagious less lethal. Then as time passed, it became more and more deadly. The same is happening with the Moronic, er, I mean the Omicron variant. Recently, Friday, Jan 7th, the Moronic lefty Judges spewed lies of how deadly Omicron is...

You see how this works?

Fear, Control, Fear, Control...

Born Free, Live Free, Die Free.


62 posted on 01/09/2022 7:17:48 AM PST by HypatiaTaught ( Born Free, Live Free, Die Free)
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To: brookwood

*** In April 2020 you could not sleep because of the sirens from the ambulances, every 15 minutes all night and all day.***

I have a theory. I think NYers normally tune out the sounds that they hear customarily just to get through living life there. It becomes background sound so to speak.

Whenever I visit NYC, all the sights and sounds are new and disturbing to me. Those sirens seem to wail every 15 minutes all day and night when I visit, and it is very hard to sleep there. I’m used to crickets and owls where I live.

So when CoVid and lockdowns happened, and were in the news every day, you all just started “hearing” the sirens again, that have been wailing all along. Sure, maybe you had more, but you had a lot of them already.


63 posted on 01/09/2022 7:19:50 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: Brian Griffin

True, but being emergency use authorization, which was in effect when I got my first two doses in the Spring, if I had had an adverse event, I couldn’t have sued Moderna. That’s what the EUA forbids. You can’t sue them.

I’d like to be able to be given that choice the next time if I go for a booster.


64 posted on 01/09/2022 7:23:44 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: Kaslin

This debate seems kinda one sided. What did I miss?


65 posted on 01/09/2022 7:24:58 AM PST by Delta 21 (It started as a virus, and mutated into an IQ test.)
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To: Kaslin

“At this moment almost every vaccinated person I know is sick with COVID-19”

not in my world by a long shot.


66 posted on 01/09/2022 7:32:02 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: MayflowerMadam

67 posted on 01/09/2022 7:33:30 AM PST by Delta 21 (It started as a virus, and mutated into an IQ test.)
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To: brookwood
***“Third, some studies show that the COVID-19 vaccine damages the immune system, thereby making it more likely that the vaccinated will get sick with each successive variant.”
Please give a source for this baseless claim***

You seem quite confrontational to this admittedly scattered report. However, I can address this challenge.

I can confirm this claim which was documented in an Israeli study (that I have difficulty finding on this tablet but you could Google it if you like). All my life I claimed immunity to the Herpes Zoster virus and amply proved it over time. About six months after my second Pfizer shot I went to my doctor where I was diagnosed with shingles. This caused a bit of a dust up, yet I knew he had to be right as I also had a cold sore on my lip - quite rare for me.

About mid 2021 an Israeli report came out (Israel is among the most vaccinated countries) that statistics indicated that the mRNA CoViD treatment was attenuating some previous and acquired immunities. The leading indicator was shingles. I was able to make peace with my doctor that possibly we were both right.

I reported that case on VAERS. I also reported a critical drop on serum iron including total iron, iron saturation and ferritin - all of which had never tested low previously. I admit that there is no clinical support for this iron anomaly being associated with the mRNA vaccines, but I did point out that ferritin functions on the mRNA principle.

Incidentally, on my CBC test my RBC, hemoglobin and hematocrit decreased notably to near the point that I considered asking for a blood transfusion.

As the effects of the vaccine waned, as adequately indicated over time statistically, all my lab tests returned to normal. In fairness, I did undergo iron injections (Venofer) for four weeks.

If the government and the media will allow it, I think much will be revealed overall in time.

68 posted on 01/09/2022 7:36:11 AM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: Kaslin

Now it’s “possible” dangers. A year ago, there were antivaxers claiming that the technology would alter our DNA, ruin our immune systems, and thereby cause mass deaths. Well, this hasn’t happened.


69 posted on 01/09/2022 7:38:19 AM PST by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: IamConservative

“Off label use” categorized by my DEA authorized opium supplier had kept me on oxy/hydros for 19+ years when the published date recommends not using it for more than 120 days. Plus the cherry on top was the 8 years of benzo use that carries the same caveats. All that shit ended 18 months ago when it was clear to me that my long standing primary care physician didnt give a shit about my health.

Off label use of Ivermectin to save your life is totally out of the question!


70 posted on 01/09/2022 7:38:48 AM PST by Delta 21 (It started as a virus, and mutated into an IQ test.)
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To: Billie Bud

Bkmk


71 posted on 01/09/2022 7:49:52 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: brookwood
All states are having massive less-harmful Omicron outbreaks. I’m not your babysitter, just type “Covid cases by state” into google and you can see for yourself.

You seem to come to the discussion with a hostile and condescending attitude. So I'll assume that's how you like to interact with other people.

If you bothered to do some google searches and read the actual data, you would know that in many of the states the outbreaks that started in December started before the Omicron variant was common, and likely include high percentages of Delta variant infections.

So why are you posting incorrect information?

72 posted on 01/09/2022 7:50:39 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: brookwood

Your response shows why A busy doctor would likely not respond. - there is such a huge mass of error to overcome. It is clear that the author is emotionally invested in his position, and unlikely to be swayed by any explanation, even if you took the time to explain.


73 posted on 01/09/2022 7:53:20 AM PST by BeauBo
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To: bagster

“Cause car accidents are exactly like the covids.”

In both types of cases, proof via evidence is required.

I read plenty of allegations.

I have yet to see any associated pathology report.


74 posted on 01/09/2022 7:54:54 AM PST by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: Kaslin

One size fits all is bad in any medical sense. There is not information about how the vaccine may work with the rest of any individual body chemistry, meds they are taking, hormonal situations, etc. etc. In a book, “At The Edge Of Uncertainty” there is a chapter about how differently vaccines act on females vs. on males, in particular DPT. Things that are themselves safe can be lethal in combination with something else or to particular people and that is something a person and a physician need to discern, not a government or a pharmacy. The one taking the risk of something gets to make the decision.


75 posted on 01/09/2022 7:58:51 AM PST by Anima Mundi (“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts” Feynman)
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To: FamiliarFace

This is a good explanation of vaccine claim processing law:

https://lommen.com/what-happens-if-i-am-injured-by-covid-19-related-care-or-a-vaccine/


76 posted on 01/09/2022 7:59:06 AM PST by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: cyclotic

Even the few doctors who do not work directly for the huge “corporate” practices are very involved in payments from insurance companies and government. It would be interesting to see how “concierge” doctors are treating their patients who get Covid


77 posted on 01/09/2022 7:59:50 AM PST by Freee-dame
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To: Brian Griffin
I have yet to see any associated pathology report.

Given the HIPAA regulations why would you expect to see patient specific pathology reports? Are you a physician with patients who died after vaccination?

78 posted on 01/09/2022 8:00:57 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: brookwood

“ Second, this country (and world) is filled with both unvaccinated and vaccinated who are sick with COVID-19. It’s a nasty and contagious flu. At this moment almost every vaccinated person I know is sick with COVID-19. A report released by the Robert Koch Institute stated that in Germany over 96% of those with COVID-19 are vaccinated.”

But the seasonal flu is now gone, medical miracle!


79 posted on 01/09/2022 8:02:18 AM PST by foundedonpurpose (Praise Hashem, for his restoration of all things!)
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To: Kaslin
Schlumpf muss wegen Herzmuskel-Entzündung pausieren Es ist unklar, wann Leichtathletin Fabienne Schlumpf (31) wieder Sport treiben kann.

Guess who's got myocarditis...

80 posted on 01/09/2022 8:02:57 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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