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To: 1Old Pro

RE: How can you mandate a shot that is proven to not work?

OK, I am against vaccine mandates, and I heatedly argue against forcing people to be vaccinated.

But here are some things I observe after nearly a year:

1) Before Omicron, the unvaccinated tend to get infected more than the vaccinated ( not that the vaccinated don’t get infected, but their infection rates are less ).

2) Omicron seems to have changed that and now we are seeing both vaccinated and unvaccinated infected equally ( In fact, in Germany and Denmark, most infections are among the vaccinated ).

3) The one major plus for the vaccines is those who get infected because of being vaccinated, tend not to be seriously ill. In other words, the Covid symptoms are attenuated.

Of course, we still do not know the long term effects of the vaccines as we’ve had just a year to observe it.


6 posted on 01/04/2022 8:02:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If they kill people, they don’t work.


8 posted on 01/04/2022 8:08:47 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: SeekAndFind

I am confused by your post. If you compare the % people that have been jabbed and the number of jabbed that are hospitalized compared to the % that die, and do the same for the not jabbed the hospitalized jabbed are dying at a higher %.
This has been the case in all the reviews I have seen in Denmark, UK, Scotland, Israel etc. In fact there have been so many of these reports that I no longer consider them news & don’t include them in my daily emailed news digest.

Additionally
Vaccinated exponentially more likely to get re-infected with COVID: A new preprint study from Bangladesh found that among 404 people re-infected with COVID, having been vaccinated made someone 2.45 times more likely to get re-infected with a mild infection, 16.1 times more likely to get a moderate infection, and 3.9 times more likely to be re-infected severely, relative to someone with prior infection who was not vaccinated. Although overall re-infections were rare, vaccination was a greater risk factor for re-infection that co-morbidities!


9 posted on 01/04/2022 8:18:33 AM PST by JayGalt (For evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.”)
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To: SeekAndFind

Every vaccine I’ve ever gotten, with the possible exception of the flu vaccine, prevents one from contracting a given disease.

The smallpox vaccine prevents smallpox.
MMR prevents Measles, Mumps, and Rubella.
The Shingles vaccine prevents Shingles.
Etc, etc, etc.

One cannot spread smallpox after being vaccinated against smallpox. Same with the others I mentioned.

This COVID vaccine is, in my view, the most unsuccessful vaccine in recorded medical history. It doesn’t prevent the illness. It doesn’t prevent one from spreading the illness.

The, highly tenuous at best, argument that it lessons the severity of COVID is an unprovable assertion. There’s no way to test that statement whatsoever.

When you also consider the possible side effects of it it’s completely reasonable for people to refuse it on those grounds alone, especially if one has recovered from the disease this vaccine is supposed to prevent.

L


12 posted on 01/04/2022 8:42:32 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: SeekAndFind

“we still do not know the long term effects of the vaccines “

Really. They deemed the “vaccines” safe less than nine months — the length of a full-term pregnancy — before they rolled them out. That, added to the fact that no shots (or tests) are required for the critters crossing the border in droves, says a lot.


15 posted on 01/04/2022 9:14:11 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Before Omicron, the unvaccinated tend to get infected more than the vaccinated

LIES LIES LIES! You are a propagandist for the gene therapies. I WON'T COMPLY.

17 posted on 01/04/2022 11:01:42 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (But what do I know? I'm just a backwoods engineer.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Before Omicron, the unvaccinated tend to get infected more than the vaccinated... Omicron seems to have changed that and now we are seeing both vaccinated and unvaccinated infected equally...

I'm not an immunologist, but let's suppose for just a moment...

If the vaccines are based on the alpha strain, and the early unvaccinated were contracting the alpha strain...

And then if the delta strain was more virulent and the alpha-based vaccine had some residual effect on delta...

But omicron is so far removed from alpha that the vaccines are mostly useless against it...

...wouldn't you be seeing just what you observed?

In the Joe Rogan podcast with Dr. Robert Malone, Malone said that the danger of continuing to vaccinate and boost with the alpha-based vaccine is that it is hyper-sensitizing the immune response against a virus that it will no longer see, resulting in the immune system de-prioritizing defenses against other diseases. He compared it to inoculating people in 2022 with the flu shot from 2020.

This makes it sound like continuing to push the current vaccine formulation is more harmful because it diverts the immune system away from current threats. The unvaccinated, whose immune system is on the general lookout, are better prepared to face a virus that it hasn't seen because their immune systems aren't "trained" to focus on the alpha COVID-19 virus.

-PJ

18 posted on 01/04/2022 11:22:56 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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