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Claims mislead about COVID-19 vaccines’ effectiveness against omicron (AP fake-check)
AP ^ | December 29, 2021 | Josh Kelety

Posted on 12/29/2021 8:49:14 AM PST by DoodleBob

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To: joshua c
“didnt pfizer or moderna say they were working on a vaccine for the omicron variant?”

Yeah they are and want to name it Zyklon-B because they know that name works.

21 posted on 12/29/2021 9:46:25 AM PST by Polynikes (Nicht geimpft Mensch 2nd Klasse)
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To: DoodleBob
Gads, The Usual Suspects have shown up, and they even put your name in the keywords.

You've triggered them.

22 posted on 12/29/2021 9:50:59 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: semimojo; traderrob6
Your "links" go to the Free Republic home page.

In other words, you got nothing.

23 posted on 12/29/2021 9:53:55 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: semimojo
And they met those endpoints.

Agreed...the in-sample short-term VE was 90%+.

Since then we've learned that the protection from infection wanes

...more on that later...

but protection from severe disease remains pretty high.

Those learnings on severity are not from controlled, clinical trials and the attendant data. Those learnings are from statistical studies using databases that don't have the same rigor that comes with clinical trials. That is a very big differential. Indeed, vaccine clinical trials fail to make it to approval about 59% of the time. We don't know if this collection of shots granted EUA would make it to the 41% or 59% cluster.

And while I will grant that some follow-up studies show favorable VE and a statistical linkage between getting shots and saying out of the hospital, that linkage is over a very short window (a few months) and with no controlled data collection on the flip side/side effects of those getting the shots. Indeed, I've seen studies (and not garbage studies or sensational Gateway Pundit crapola) showing the fatality rate being the same between the shot and non-shot groups. Finally, vaccine clinical trials take a median of nine years...we aren't even out of the first inning of our little league game.

Why would you revoke a EUA for a drug that's proven to be safe and very effective in preventing severe disease?

1. Because the EUA approval is for prevention only, not severity. If we think the shots also guard against severity, let's run a proper clinical trial and trot it before the FDA.

2. Because the early evidence shows negative VE against Omicron after a few months and that the shots failed to protect people at a "super spreader" event in Oslo.

24 posted on 12/29/2021 10:15:53 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: kiryandil
Your "links" go to the Free Republic home page.

My mistake.

COVID-19 breakthrough hospitalizations

Got a comment on the content?

25 posted on 12/29/2021 10:26:10 AM PST by semimojo
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To: DoodleBob
But I'm dead, the vax killed me!

Lucky you! Without the vax you'd be even deader.

26 posted on 12/29/2021 10:29:36 AM PST by JPG (You can't unjab the jab.)
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To: semimojo

OK, so how does any of that support the conclusion that the VACCINE is causing a less severe Omicron prognosis as opposed to the disease simply being LESS VIRILENT????


27 posted on 12/29/2021 10:30:16 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: DoodleBob
If we think the shots also guard against severity, let's run a proper clinical trial and trot it before the FDA.

Fine, but why revoke authorization for something that's working pretty well?

...the early evidence shows negative VE against Omicron after a few months...

Wrong link, but if it's the article I've seen it's a statistical model based on not much data. Let's wait until Omicron has at least been around a couple of months before we start predicting negative VE.

...the shots failed to protect people at a "super spreader" event in Oslo.

Failed to protect from infection, but from what I can find they were fully effective in preventing serious disease.

28 posted on 12/29/2021 10:45:43 AM PST by semimojo
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To: DoodleBob

DoodleBob wrote: “I can’t off hand. Why do you ask?”

Don’t you think it’s unreasonable to hold the CV vaccines to a standard (prevent 100% of all illnesses) that no other vaccines meet?


29 posted on 12/29/2021 10:50:15 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: traderrob6
OK, so how does any of that support the conclusion that the VACCINE is causing a less severe Omicron prognosis as opposed to the disease simply being LESS VIRILENT????

I haven't seen any definitive clinical yet but the vaccine manufacturers lab tests indicate their boosters provide good protection. We'll have to see as the hospitalization and death data rolls in.

I think the point of the fact check is Malone's claim that the vaccines don't protect from Omicron. While they may not protect from infection all indications are they do from severe disease, and that's what one would expect.

Malone certainly has no evidence they don't protect from severe disease.

30 posted on 12/29/2021 10:58:19 AM PST by semimojo
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To: kiryandil
In other words, you got nothing.

Got a comment on the content?

...

LOL. Projecting again.

31 posted on 12/29/2021 11:00:05 AM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo; traderrob6; DoodleBob
As you no doubt know, I could care less about what baseless garbage you post, semiblowje.

It was just fun to gig you for being sloppy, as is your wont.

I have my own answer about the "efficacy" of the quaxxccines from my vaxxed family. They're either 3 for 4, or 2 for 4, depending.

32 posted on 12/29/2021 11:00:36 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Jim W N

Because he wants everyone to take the death shot just like he did.


33 posted on 12/29/2021 11:04:07 AM PST by ForbesFan
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To: kiryandil
I'm a staaaahhhhhhh!!

Is making me a keyword like how the unions will put a cap on the guy in a protest that they want the goons to attack?

34 posted on 12/29/2021 11:08:50 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: traderrob6
OK, so how does any of that support the conclusion that the VACCINE is causing a less severe Omicron prognosis as opposed to the disease simply being LESS VIRILENT????

It doesn't.

The blowje is just blowing smoke for the pharmapuppets.

The necro-omnicrom just surfaced 4 weeks ago [first mention on FR November 27th-ish]. We're expected to believe there's conclusive research about it this quickly.

OMNI

35 posted on 12/29/2021 11:10:19 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: ForbesFan; Jim W N
Um, no. It's called information dissemination and enhancing awareness.

But thanks for telling me your thoughts. It helps.

36 posted on 12/29/2021 11:11:01 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: DoodleBob
Is making me a keyword like how the unions will put a cap on the guy in a protest that they want the goons to attack?

 face with tears of joy face with tears of joy face with tears of joy face with tears of joy

Boy, that brings back old Free Republic memories...

37 posted on 12/29/2021 11:11:26 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: DugwayDuke

Yes. I agree that 100% VE isn’t the benchmark. The FDA initially said they’d be happy with 50% for granting EUAs. And that is a primary basis for the EUA - the in-sample 90%+ VE regarding prevention.


38 posted on 12/29/2021 11:16:34 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: DoodleBob

DoodleBob wrote: “Yes. I agree that 100% VE isn’t the benchmark. “

But the article you posted essentially makes the claim that the vaccines do not protect since they are not 100% effective.


39 posted on 12/29/2021 11:22:12 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: kiryandil
I have my own answer...

Of course you do.

40 posted on 12/29/2021 11:25:55 AM PST by semimojo
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