Posted on 12/21/2021 5:59:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind
RE: have ethical concerns about the use of abortion-derived cells in the development, and this Novavax doesn’t solve that
I Read about Novavax’s Covid vaccine technology and I haven’t seen any component they used related to abortion derived fetal human cells.
The Novavax COVID-19 vaccine contains a protein (made using moth cells) plus an adjuvant (made from tree bark). An adjuvant is an ingredient added to boost a person’s immune response, creating higher levels of antibodies.
The Novavax vaccine uses a telltale piece of the coronavirus: the notorious spike protein. All alone, the spike protein is harmless and can’t cause COVID-19. When your immune system encounters the lonely spike protein, it produces antibodies against it. This gives you the antibodies against future COVID-19 infection.
Nothing in the Novavax vaccine uses aborted fetal cells.
Your position is interesting. I read this and immediately thought “Dang, another vax I gotta research and think about”.
Because these days, we’re pretty much on our own to assess the safety and efficacy of treatments. You literally cannot trust anyone but yourself. And that’s a real PITA for me personally since I have little interest in medicine, but a great interest in living healthy for as long as possible.
But you though... one position, always, no matter what. Unreasonably sure of your position.
I have argued positions with statists before and many times the basis for them taking a position is purely based on faith. I say “yes, but what if you are wrong about that?”. Response is “I’m not wrong”. That one was about sex ed in schools. He has two kids, and well... he was wrong.
Yeah, me either.
Interesting how there were many people that wouldn’t eat a cracker that had genetically modified wheat in it yet now are perfectly willing to get an mRNA shot.
This whole Rona debacle demonstrates quite nicely how easily the useful idiots are led around by the nose.
I saw a post from a wild-eyed slobbering libtard the other day and she signed off a post with a shoutout and membership with “Team Pfizer”. I nearly fell out of my chair!
When an article like this gets posted, its interesting to note who shows up to the battlespace and what position “they” are buttressing. How vigorously the positions are taken, how many show up and with what degree of passion the positions are defended.
It is usually the starting for my skepticism.
So... should I be skeptical of this new vax?
No, take it - 1
Yes, run like your life depended on it - 10
I’m about at a 6.
If Gassie shows up, that goes to 8
If the FDA refuses to approve it, i’m down to 2
When I look across the globe at what is being done, including here - when the absolute risk is only shifted from 99.99% to, with the shot, (e.g.) 99.9999%.
All the ‘numbers’ are always reported as percentages. So the *relative* benefit from the vaccine may be large (percent wise) but the absolute change in risk is small. Why I hate the media, if we have 1 person dying on day X and 2 people dying the next day they’ll report that we’re experiencing ‘100% increase of deaths day over day’. While true it is a complete distortion. Similarly, they’ll say ‘hospitals are at 90% COVID capacity’, as though we should be scared. The thing is, that is what the hospitals target anyway, they don’t want unused beds as it isn’t economical. If anything it just means they allocated the right number.
The way we’ve incrementally given up our freedoms is the real frightening aspect. Europe having new ‘papers’ to prove you’re allowed to go into a grocery store. Quarantine camps. Forcing people to stay home and wear masks.
Sorry, imo it is all insane. The moment we learned that this virus overwhelmingly impacts the elderly with other conditions we should have gone back to normal and had everyone, especially the young, achieve herd immunity. Would some people die? Sure, as they are with the shot, or due to the resulting lockdown depression/suicide, or the flu, or driving to work, etc.. Lives are being destroyed. What is being done to our kids is criminal.
And many politicians are now saying it is permanent. So there’s no such thing as ‘free people’ anymore. They can tell us what our rights are, indefinitely, because they say so. If we do as we’re told we ‘might’ get some of them back to some degree while they move the goalposts and then decide otherwise at some future point.
This is completely unacceptable in a free society. The biggest joke, almost a mockery of humanity, is forcing people to wear cloth masks for an airborne virus. If you are sick and don’t know it, the LAST thing we need is somebody putting a mask on/off all day, touching the biohazard repeatedly, and then contaminating everything they touch. It’s worse than touching your face, which is easier to do when not wearing a mask.
Add to this that the government is now between you and your doctor. They can’t prescribe what they want without fear. Our medical professionals, our police, and our military are being fired over not taking the shot. How damaging will that be?
All over a 0.001% improvement over the starting point of 99.99% survival rate. I think it is beyond insane. This is an evil curse that is ravaging our world, the virus is just an excuse to induce the necessary fear to stop people from critically thinking, to implement incremental control - and we’ve all fallen for it.
Omicron is almost not lethal at all - yet countries are going back to lockdowns over it. Our reaction should be the opposite, it is a blessing in comparison - an opportunity to achieve *natural* herd immunity and be done with this. Of course, they’ll just tell us that will cause more variants that ‘might’ be more dangerous, so no, do as we say.
As far as I’m concerned the authorities of the world have proven they have no idea what they’re doing respective to resolving this. They have failed. They’re obviously now using it for their own gain. They should never have ‘emergency authority’ over a virus. Period. End of story. They could do the same over the flu, nothing to stop them. No measures defined, just the discretion of those that claim authority - and we’ve given it to them, yet we expect it back if we just comply. This can only end with Nuremburg style trials.
Remember, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result. It was ‘3 weeks to flatten the curve’ - lockdowns! None of it worked, now places are going to do it again. People have given up their liberty for temporary perceived safety, so they deserve neither.
What about ‘informed consent’? Not coerced consent (which is more like extortion). We all have to pay our bills. If every employer requires ‘vaccination’ then the ‘choice’ between taking the shot freely, with all the information available, or not is gone - forced vaccination by default. When were they going to tell us about the new pills for treatment after infection? How long did they know it was coming? I never knew but they did. So we didn’t have informed consent. Same with the waning effectiveness and the need for ‘boosters’. I think many people thought they’d just get their ‘vaccine’ and be done, just like most other real vaccines. Does anyone really believe you’ll only need 1 ‘booster shot’? Or will this devolve into requiring one every 6 months or your ‘vaccine passport’ will become suddenly invalid? I know where I’d put my money.
...beyond madness imo, especially as the left is incredulously supporting ‘big pharma’ - which is the only ‘allowed’ option, no other narrative is even allowed.
/rant
RE: If the FDA refuses to approve it, i’m down to 2
The FDA has been delaying its EUA for Novavax since October this year citing manufacturing concerns.
I don’t see EUA in the United States until at least first quarter of 2022. Does that bump the number down for you?
RE: Uses HEK293-derived cells for confirmatory testing, unfortunately
Are these HEK293-derived cells from deliberately aborted fetuses or miscarried fetuses?
“Allah the sudden JINOs get religion! “
Good one.
It’s possible that the cells were derived from a miscarried rather than aborted baby, but people speaking knowledgeably (academic papers for instance like I said) don’t seem to trouble themselves at all and simply accept that an abortion was the source. The assumption that an abortion was the source for the cells is so widespread that for years I wasn’t aware there even was a question at all.
I’m trying.
Sometimes I’m very trying!
Sarcazmo wrote: “I have argued positions with statists before and many times the basis for them taking a position is purely based on faith.”
Good point. However, the anti-vaxxer positions are based purely upon faith. There is no evidence that the vaccines are poison. There is no evidence that Bill Gates is using the vaccines to decimate the world’s population. There is no evidence that the vaccines have killed more people than the virus. Etc., Etc.
Trumpisourlastchance wrote: “It’s going to genetically edit us into insects. I read it on Exposed and saw it on Rumble.”
Incontrovertible evidence.
You might have noticed that Rumble videos are a prime source of information for some.
BTW, one of the more frequent attacks on the small pox vaccine was that it converted people to cows.
Things haven’t changed much.
fuzzylogic wrote: “...and Small Pox? My point remains.”
Except for the fact that half of your point no longer remains.
caww wrote: “Well is it full of Mrna stuff.”
Read up on the history of opposition to vaccines. Every one of the arguments against these vaccines are a form of the arguments made against previous vaccines. Many claimed, for example, that the small pox vaccine contained bat feces.
SeekAndFind wrote: “OK, does anyone who get the polio vaccine still get polio? Does anyone who get the polio vaccine suffer from myocarditis or thrombosis? Do you need to get a polio shot every few months?”
The Salk vaccine had been 60–70% effective against PV1 (poliovirus type 1), over 90% effective against PV2 and PV3, and 94% effective against the development of bulbar polio.
Possible side effect:
A sore spot with redness, swelling, or pain where the shot is given can happen after polio vaccination.
People sometimes faint after medical procedures, including vaccination. Tell your provider if you feel dizzy or have vision changes or ringing in the ears.
As with any medicine, there is a very remote chance of a vaccine causing a severe allergic reaction, other serious injury, or death.
Up to four vaccinations are required to provide protection from polio. It is unknown how long this lasts and it is recommended that those travelling to high risk locations should consider a booster.
Hmmm... I’ve had exactly ONE polio vaccine in my life, have travelled to ( and lived in ) over 40 countries in 5 continents ( including several third world countries ), but have never been stricken with polio, nor have I been asked by my doctor to get a polio booster.
It only needed half...thanks for the confirmation.
SeekAndFind wrote: “Hmmm... I’ve had exactly ONE polio vaccine in my life, have travelled to ( and lived in ) over 40 countries in 5 continents ( including several third world countries ), but have never been stricken with polio, ...”
How do you know that? Approximately, 95% of cases, actually produces no symptoms at all (called asymptomatic polio).
RE: How do you know that? Approximately, 95% of cases, actually produces no symptoms at all (called asymptomatic polio).
If we aren’t worried about polio now ( asymptomatic or not ) and even then, to the point where we didn’t shut down the entire planet, and didn’t force people to take that vaccine, why are we so panicky about Covid now?
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