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To: Peter ODonnell
The development of an armed resistance would only follow political leadership, which is non-existent.

So you're still relying on politicians to protect you? Yeah - that doesn't match all the rhetoric I've heard over the years from Americans about free you are compared to everybody else.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think we're better. I just don't think we're worse either. I think most people are fundamentally apathetic.

I do work to try and solve problems here - but I do it through legal, constitutional, means. It's not glamorous or dramatic - but I'll always try that first before resorting to other approaches.

And I assume there are a lot of people in the US doing the same thing there.

I just get a bit annoyed when I get told we're doing nothing, just because we're not rioting in the streets. In the final analysis, yes, you may need armed revolution. If all else fails.

But I don't think we're there yet in Australia and I think we are going to succeed before we get to that stage.

I can't speak for the US. But I would hope a nation that has been a beacon for freedom and democracy across the world for a long time is capable of getting its act together and I hope has.

I don’t expect to see any such developments unless this regime over-reaches beyond tolerable limits

Same here, more or less. But I've seen a lot of people on FR trying to tell Australian's we should already be at that stage. We haven't reached those limits yet. We haven't even come up to our final constitutional protections that do exist. We're closer to that stage than at any point since 1975, but we're not there yet.

61 posted on 11/27/2021 5:34:41 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

For the sake of clarity, my comments are somewhat removed from the reality of the situation because I’m across the border in Canada where an armed resistance to globalism is probably not even something within the realms of possibility given the lack of opposition combined with the scarcity of arms. I am just commenting on what I think is happening in the USA but I could easily be far removed from an accurate assessment, for all I know armed resistance is right around the corner. I don’t think it is, but my observations are more theoretical than empirical.

As to where things are at in Australia, it seems a bit worse there than here, but only a matter of degrees, and some of the same tendencies can be seen among our political elites. I think they are moving a bit more cautiously because they aren’t sure how much support they have among police and armed forces who would have to enforce anything stricter than what they have actually proposed so far.

I don’t mean to imply that people are waiting for a political leader to come along and organize what they themselves should be organizing; it is more a question of whose organization would be widely recognized as legitimate. Just because one group of patriots in location A decide this is the time to move, will not guarantee that patriots in location B would automatically agree, or wish to join in, simply because anyone can call themselves by any name and there would be no shortage of opportunities for disinformation, to sweep up dissidents in an operation designed specifically for that purpose.

That is probably the reason why most sensible people would wait for the time when recognizable political leadership arose, so that there was less danger of being cut off before anything meaningful had been achieved. Also you have to ask what is the end game, let’s say a group of patriots wanted to oppose the regime, then what’s their alternative, what are they going out to fight for? If they say “to restore Trump to the presidency” then look at the monumental size of that task, and even so, Trump himself has chosen to withdraw from that whole field of battle to devote himself to a renewed political battle instead. I think a lot of people right now might prefer to see a more direct approach, at least a secession or partition movement, but there is enough respect for Trump that people are willing to put the decision essentially in his hands.

I would say that in theory this is probably not a good idea. It is an ongoing weakness in the anti-globalist position that there is no organized political response, it is very much ad hoc, wait and see, leave it to one man. That one man may be quite admirable but also mortal, what if the weakness inherent in old age overtakes him? What if he’s just wrong, despite the best of intentions? What if we have no better option than secession or some other response?

If we don’t all have a say in some political process, and instead leave it to one person to decide, then we are stuck with whatever goes along with that, for better or worse.


77 posted on 11/27/2021 7:05:16 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (a cloud has fallen over the lands of the free )
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