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Rittenhouse picks final jurors from raffle tumbler
The Hill ^ | 11.16.2021 | MYCHAEL SCHNELL

Posted on 11/16/2021 11:37:16 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

Kyle Rittenhouse, who is on trial for fatally shooting two people and injuring another during protests in Kenosha, Wisc., last summer, selected the final jurors who will decide his verdict from a raffle tumbler on Tuesday.

Judge Bruce Schroeder instructed one of the defense attorneys to put a pile of paper slips with the numbers of the 18 jurors, which he said had been exhibited to the defendant, in the raffle drum.

The bailiff, after spinning the drum, opened it to Rittenhouse, and he carefully selected six slips of paper one-by-one, eliminating those six and leaving 12 now-official jurors.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: jurors; raffle; rittenhouse; tumbler
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To: AFB-XYZ

Most don’t know this, but after their names are removed, the six non-selected jurors then proceed to man the bake sale table where they are required to sell cookies and brownies during business hours until their former colleagues render a verdict.


21 posted on 11/16/2021 12:24:53 PM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The case is decided by a jury of 12. There are usually one or two “alternate” jurors. Here, the judge must have used six alternates to make sure he could finish the trial. Different courts use different systems to select the alternates. This lottery approach is fine. The main thing is that all jurors hear all testimony and the alternates do not know who they are until the case goes to the jury.


22 posted on 11/16/2021 12:25:39 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: DiogenesLamp
"The legal system is now more or less a high stakes gambling machine."

It makes no sense to me at all, but maybe we should pick our Congress critters and Presidents this way.

23 posted on 11/16/2021 12:25:46 PM PST by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

he should have said, give me the 9 men the bull dyke, the transwoman and the old lady.


24 posted on 11/16/2021 12:29:08 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: mass55th

We couldn’t do any worse.


25 posted on 11/16/2021 12:30:07 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: one guy in new jersey

Ha! Double-chocolate-chip for me, please. :-)


26 posted on 11/16/2021 12:31:27 PM PST by AFB-XYZ (Stand up, or bend over)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

the prosecution asked geuspunke to draw a slip of paper, but for some reason he couldn’t reach into the barrel.


27 posted on 11/16/2021 12:31:30 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: Tell It Right

It went from 18 - 12


28 posted on 11/16/2021 12:35:47 PM PST by Codeflier (Please stop calling these violent totalitarian collectivist Democrats, liberals. )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

What the...? If the verdict comes back guilty, will the poor kid need to spin a wheel to determine his sentence?


29 posted on 11/16/2021 1:01:56 PM PST by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: Tell It Right

“Reducing the jury from 12 to 6 increases the odds of a unanimous conviction.”

Know the facts before wasting bandwidth with your rants!


30 posted on 11/16/2021 1:10:12 PM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I’m worried.
Ive been thinking about Richard’s summation and why it left me uneasy. It’s in part the anger and the contempt he expressed over the deceased attackers.

His first mistake: never speak ill of the dead. It doesn’t matter that they got themselves that way, people don’t want to hear bad things about them. Everybody who dies earns at least a small dollop of sanctity and their past sins evaporate.

Related to this is another innate human trait overlooked: whenever some event causes a fatality, regardless who died or why, people seem to perceive that their world has been injured, that the fabric of order has been scarred. They need to see balance restored which means somebody has to accept blame. Richards did not dress that wound; he did not provide an alternate scapegoat. He could have blamed the hospital or the mayor but he didn’t. Kyle remains first in line on this.

Hopefully I’m wrong about this.


31 posted on 11/16/2021 1:14:09 PM PST by tsomer
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To: tsomer

>> They [the jury members] need to see balance restored which means somebody has to accept blame. Richards did not dress that wound; he did not provide an alternate scapegoat. <<

I suppose he meant to place the blame on the attackers, who do deserve it, but the ones who were killed acquire some sympathy just from that. I thought Kyle did better when he looked genuinely pained as he said I didn’t want to kill them but I had to.

I was somewhat disappointed in what I heard from Richards, especially considering that the preponderance of the evidence is on the defense’s side — and common sense too. At times he exaggerated unnecessarily and gave openings to the prosecution. (I missed the first part of his closing argument, and he may have done better in that part.)

Also I didn’t like the way he phrased his final remarks to the jury, which need to be something that will stick in their minds. He said something to the effect that Kyle’s actions were “privileged” as self defense. That may be a common usage among lawyers, but “privileged” carries a negative connotation for most persons. He could have said “justified” or used some other more positive word.

In any case I was convinced from the evidence — actually just from the videos themselves — that Kyle should be found not guilty, and no way of phrasing things by the lawyers is going to change that. Let’s hope the jury has people on it who will view the evidence properly and reach a fair conclusion.


32 posted on 11/16/2021 4:29:09 PM PST by GJones2 ( Evidence rather than what the lawyers say should decide the Rittenhouse case and let's hope it does)
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To: GJones2
...He said something to the effect that Kyle’s actions were “privileged” as self defense...

You're right, I remember that turn of phrase caught my attention but I think I dismissed it as lawyer-talk.,
Recalling it triggered another, more disturbing thought: they are referring to the exercise of constitutional rights "privileged" actions.
This may have been the manner of address long before, but seeing two starkly different characterizations brought so close together is disturbing.
You're also right about Kyle's testimony balancing Richard's summation.

33 posted on 11/16/2021 8:15:59 PM PST by tsomer
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