Posted on 10/29/2021 8:58:59 AM PDT by Kaslin
The gun was to be loaded with dummy rounds, not blanks, and reportedly had at least three dummy rounds in it.
Actors are not going to have the expertise to load and unload every kind of gun out there, and tell the difference between live rounds, dummy rounds and blanks. The actor supposedly has the right to ask the armorer to show him that the gun is properly set up.
In the case of an empty gun, or dummy rounds, part of the armorer’s or AD’s check could be to fire it into the ground to confirm it will not fire anything. Can the actor test fire it too? They’d basically have to watch the armorer do it, or have the armorer watch them, to confirm conditions are right so that no damage is caused if the gun does prove to fire unexpectedly.
If an actor happens to be an expert on all of this stuff, they could certainly unofficially check the gun themselves. But that would not be something that they are trained to do or told to do as standard practice.
Now, the question of should Baldwin have ever pointed the gun at another human being is a valid one. No one yet knows if he pulled the trigger on purpose or accidentally, or if the gun somehow fired on its own. We don’t know if he was instructed to hold a pose for the camera, while other people were walking around and passing in front of the gun. If someone told him to point the gun in another person’s direction and pull the trigger, he still arguably shouldn’t have done it, and should have demanded that person move out of the path of the gun. Certainly IF he was required to point the gun at someone for the shot, that would’ve been a great time to ask that the gun be double-checked in his presence.
“The gun was to be loaded with dummy rounds, not blanks, and reportedly had at least three dummy rounds in it.”
The reporting is moving fast on this story, but that’s news to me. Was that included in the press conference with the Sheriff and the DA, or in a separate media story?
Pretty sure I read it in an article that was quoting from a press conference. They said most rounds found in the gun had a hole in them to indicate dummy rounds. Another one may also have been a dummy, but lacked the hole.
It’s also logical. In a close-up shot as this scene was staged for, they would want dummy rounds in there visible to the camera.
Thank you!
“in the firearm training world, the Baldwin incident would not be considered an “accident”—a mishap that occurs despite someone doing everything correctly. Unless someone deliberately loaded the gun with conventional ammunition, knowing it would be fired by Baldwin in that condition—which at this point there is no publicly known reason to suspect—the tragedy was the result of “negligence”—something that occurred because one or more people failed to follow safety rules and procedures.”
The “mishap” was giving a gun to a leftist who doesn’t know basic gun safety.
Thank you. However, if I took ANYONE to a gun range with a range master, loaded the firearm for the guest and then handed it to them as described, I would expect to be immediately be kicked off the range. If I were a member, I would expect to have my membership (best case) temporarily suspended.
You are probably correct about the actors not being expected to understand how to load or properly operate a fire arm. That unfortunately is probably why so many in Hollywood favor gun control.
Thank you again for your comments
Ashli thought her killer’s weapon contained blanks.
$26 and some change.
I bought a used 1 ton Chevy van that had a bullet hole in it.
The ragged edges of it protruded OUTWARD from the level of the bench seat in the second row.
Seems like a rifle being transported somehow fired and made a neat little hole in the interior panel before going outside for a spin.
You're just 37 years late for this idea...
Eerily familiar...Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.
16. Ministry Of Truth.......
The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.
The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.
The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.
Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.
When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.
In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.
As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.
What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.
In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.
There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.
And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.
Link??
When I die, I wanna go like Granpa: in my sleep.
Not screaming loudly like the passengers in the back seat of his car.
I keep hearing ‘live’ round.
Wouldn’t any ammo, ‘blank’ or leaded be LIVE if it had gunpower in it?
I'm not against a thorough investigation, sworn testimony, and a calm, objective consideration of the evidence at hand. In fact, it's necessary. Now hang the bugger and let's have one.
I think I’ve heard Yoda speak about the greatness of the karma in this instance.
I’ve heard a gun described as “live with blanks.” Whether a blank would be referred to as a “live round,” I’m not sure. Seems like the term “blank” would always be in any phrase referring to it.
Link for what? Do you really need a link to figure out the blatantly obvious? There has been maybe 3-5 deaths due to firearms in the history of hollywood. Far more than that have been killed on live fire ranges in that time.
Sure!
Since it is NOT blatantly obvious to me.
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