Posted on 10/27/2021 1:02:09 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19
not necessarily true, plea for more money more likely
How fun is Christmas going to be when everyone is talking about their fired friends and relatives and Unjustly fired family members are speaking their minds to everybody. If you are willing stand firm over freedom of conscience and you are then fired nobody is going to shut you up. There will be hundreds of thousands of protesters.
But no more mean tweets, right? That’s worth it.
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Don’t for get the Appearance of Being Presidential and the lack of a media firestorms, permitting the sheep to snooze before being sheared and slaughtered. That’s really worth it!
Reasonable companies will grant exemptions to those who don’t want the shots. My company is one of them.
Meanwhile state Senators can have Communist Chinese spies as personal drivers and nothing whatsoever will happen to them.
If the ten percent are mostly part of the most productive twenty percent it can get very ugly very fast.
The workload for the rest of the productive folks will get crazy—and then they will be looking to bail.
The eighty percent of drones (including most of the middle managers) are just collecting a paycheck, and won’t notice anything unusual happening!
I agree. And, frankly, I am surprised at the view that companies will be “tough” on this.
If the government “mandates” the vaccine, and if companies tell people “Hey, you have to” then the company is doing as the government wishes. Everybody is happy, right?
And if a workers says, “I’d like a religious exemption”, that isn’t a bizarre request. There are legal cases on the books. The company is just inviting a lawsuit if they refuse. Why on earth would the company be difficult? Much smarter to say, “You want an exemption? You got it.” THEN everybody is happy! And I don’t see how the government can make a stink.
In fact, of the government basically tells employers “You are not allowed to approve religious exemptions” then we really approach a naked power play. Basically: “You are all slaves. We own you. You must do as you are told, or we will destroy you.” I don’t think the government is quite ready to put that right out there in the open for everyone to see. Not quite yet.
Raytheon already told all its employees that they needed to disclose their shots status by Oct 18th, and any ‘decline to disclose’ would be treated as having tendered their resignations.
And many people who can retire, are doing so.
dcbn1 wrote:
“This is really going to hurt the defense contractors. A huge fraction of the Raytheon workforce needs various levels of security clearance to even show up for the job. It can take a year or more until a new hire gets a clearance and gets let out of the security holding pen. Combine this the special skills and several years to several decades of accumulated programmatic knowledge and a lot of these people cannot be replaced in any reasonable time frame and some are defacto irreplaceable.”
you are absolutely correct; clearances and training take a massive amount of time and money to get set up.
Freee-dame wrote:
“I think you are correct. I do not think that Biden has issued any actual executive order yet. That is why there are not any Covid federal mandate court cases. Thus I do not understand why these companies are firing people.
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hidenbiden issued an EO mandating shots for fed contractors, of which Raytheon is one.
The OSHA rule for the companies with 100 employees or more hasn’t been issued yet; that is the one where hidenbiden in a press conference said something about OSHA rule for shot mandates for those companies.
pepsi_junkie wrote:
“I work for a large defense contractor (not Raytheon) and I think they’ve done a fair job threading the needle complying with all the different rules nationwide but not being overbearing about it. I think they were trying to avoid people bailing because of draconian rules because it’s been a tough environment to hire qualified people. These mandates will require my firm to shed thousands of people so it was all for nothing ultimately.
Then the death spiral starts as we get to keep our contracts but cannot execute on any of them due to lack of staff. So we lose contracts and have to shed more staff ... it’s coming.”
So, at your company, are a lot of people still going to retire, quit, or wait till the company has to let them go, over the shot mandate, even though it wasn’t handled in an overbearing manner?
Add radar for P-8 Poseidon aircraft to that list.
Honest Nigerian wrote:
“I have heard that Lockheed Martin has already begun terminations of employees. They are turning down all exemption requests IMO.
My comment is based on discussions with family member of a LM employee (one who has an engineering PhD, and over 30 years employment at that company).”
LM denying all religious exemptions is asking for a yuuuge lawsuit....
I have a religious exemption with my company and they were very reasonable about it. My company does a lot of GSA business and they want to “check the box” - I get it - but they respect those of us who have very good reasons for not wanting to get the shots at this time.
Thanks for the clarification
SamAdams76 wrote:
“I have a religious exemption with my company and they were very reasonable about it. My company does a lot of GSA business and they want to “check the box” - I get it - but they respect those of us who have very good reasons for not wanting to get the shots at this time.”
I’m glad your company was reasonable about it; did they come back with any further questions?
Aren’t any of these corporate types smart enough to just ignore the mandate that never happened, and wouldn’t be binding if it did?
A very cogent question.
I never even got a phone call asking for more info. Just an email with the acceptance letter. I had to almost pick myself off the floor.
For fed contractors, the EO is in place.
The OSHA BS is pending.
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