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'This Is Insanity': Democrats Discuss New Plan to Help Pay for Massive Spending Bill - An annual tax on unrealized capital gains on liquid assets for the very rich.
Townhall ^ | 10/25/2021 | Leah Barkoukis

Posted on 10/25/2021 7:11:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Real Estate in particular goes up & down in swings....about 7 year cycles.

Yellen wants to TAX UNREALIZED gains on those assets....

IS she going to pay property owners $$$refunds when the market goes down?????

Appraisers are going to be on the hot seat.


41 posted on 10/25/2021 8:05:03 AM PDT by ridesthemiles ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

It will find its way to all income classes. It’ll start with the “rich.” Then, the definition of “rich” will change to include anyone who can invest.


42 posted on 10/25/2021 8:07:59 AM PDT by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: SeekAndFind

The original income tax was based on income that exceeded $20,000 and started at 1% climbing to 13% for incomes above $2,000,000.

In todays dollars the 1% tax would start at $500,000 and the 13% tax would be for incomes exceeding $50 million.

Seem familiar?


43 posted on 10/25/2021 8:08:40 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: cgbg
Forget about off-shore entities.

1. Establish a not-for-profit corporation that serves as a "virtual art museum" for all the art the guy has in his own home.

2. Donate all the artwork to the museum. He won't even have to take the things off the wall of his home.

3. Write off the value of the donations on his tax return.

4. Show $0 worth of artwork on his balance sheet every year for the rest of his life.

No need for a week-long retreat with the tax attorney. Just make a $100 donation to FR and we'll call it even. :-P

44 posted on 10/25/2021 8:10:52 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest, ‘til a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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To: Alberta's Child

The guy has donated art to museums, but I think his intent is to keep control of most of the art to pass on to his heirs.

That is why the off shore entities may be necessary.


45 posted on 10/25/2021 8:13:29 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wyden is a real SOB


46 posted on 10/25/2021 8:14:29 AM PDT by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: cgbg
Sounds like he has two options:

1. Plan his estate so that his heirs have a controlling ownership of the non-profit corporation that runs the art museum after he passes away.

2. Have his estate buy the artwork back from the museum after he dies, and have the heirs take possession of it that way.

Even if this stupid tax idea doesn't get passed, the heirs are still going to have a tax problem if they inherit the artwork because there will be estate taxes on it if it really is worth a lot of money.

47 posted on 10/25/2021 8:21:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest, ‘til a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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To: SeekAndFind
I've an idea.....

Quit spending!!!!

I've always balanced my own finances...but Congress never has.

48 posted on 10/25/2021 8:25:07 AM PDT by Osage Orange (1961 VW Two Door Truck)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yup—estate taxes will be a big deal—but this guy is very sharp and I am sure his tax attorney is off the charts brilliant—they will find a way....

Actually, now that I think about it, they already must have found a way since a lot of this art was passed down to him from his parents.

That is really my point—the rich just don’t follow the rules—they either create the rules or figure out a way around them.


49 posted on 10/25/2021 8:26:10 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“An annual tax on unrealized capital gains on liquid assets for the very rich.”

FINE WITH ME. It was the very rich that imposed Biden on this country, THEY can deal with the repercussions.


50 posted on 10/25/2021 8:33:48 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: 1Old Pro
Yes, this is insanity, it will never happen.

You forget that Wyden is from Oregon. Oregon just instituted a new tax that large companies that taxes receipts rather than just profits. This new tax ignores the cost of the product sold.

https://oregoncatalyst.com/53734-oregon-cat-tax-shoots-wounded.html

51 posted on 10/25/2021 8:40:53 AM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: SeekAndFind

All this would do is screw up the economy. People with that kind of money know enough to move their money into other investments and avoid the tax. It would actually reduce tax revenue because of the hit on the economy.


52 posted on 10/25/2021 9:01:27 AM PDT by EastTexasTraveler
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To: SeekAndFind

Weidenstein is all over the place on his votes but mostly a nut.

The family escaped Germany and moved to Wichita, Ks during the war. Too bad.

Wasn’t there another family that escaped to Wichita during the war that had something to do with obama? Oh yeah, his mother’s family.

No connection but things that make me go, Hmmmm.


53 posted on 10/25/2021 10:10:01 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.I ha)
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To: SeekAndFind

The new 700 Club?

Lunacy.


54 posted on 10/25/2021 10:11:46 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.I ha)
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To: SeekAndFind

Unrealized IRA gains are next.

Marxists never quit. Destruction is their goal.


55 posted on 10/25/2021 10:39:15 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Whenever the rich or very rich are hit with these “so-called” taxes, the actual cost ends up being paid at the very middle (actual workers) of the food chain...


56 posted on 10/25/2021 12:47:03 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: Ouderkirk

# There is zero difference when they raise the assessment on your house. They are taxing you on an unrealized capital gain that may or may not materialize

One of the =very= few things to come out of california was prop 13. You shouldn’t have to continue to pay more and more in taxes on the unrealized gains from your home. It is little wonder why that particular item never spread across the country like it should have.


57 posted on 10/25/2021 1:18:33 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: hanamizu

# The income tax also started with only the very rich. Until WWII most did not pay a cent (and there was no withholding. But we all se how that worked out.

Exactly. Check out my site for a copy (PDF) of the original tax forms. Figure out what your taxes would be today even with inflation. You’ll probably cry.

https://www.zeugmaweb.net/histdocs/income_tax.html


58 posted on 10/25/2021 1:22:05 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: cpdiii

# The original tax rate in 1913 was 7% in the highest bracket. Congress over the years raised it multiple times. Congress will do the same with this obscene idea. It will eventually encompass everyone. Congress is a hungry beast.

Exactly. Check out my site for a copy (PDF) of the original tax forms. Figure out what your taxes would be today even with inflation. You’ll probably cry.

https://www.zeugmaweb.net/histdocs/income_tax.html


59 posted on 10/25/2021 1:24:05 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Raycpa
The original income tax was based on income that exceeded $20,000 and started at 1% climbing to 13% for incomes above $2,000,000.

Close.

Here's the actual table from the 1913 1040 form...

60 posted on 10/25/2021 1:30:46 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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