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To: jonrick46
You criticize Big Pharma but do you consider the huge cost of research and development, testing and production for something like Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine for COVID-19? The money does not come out of thin air.

I am fully aware of this massive cost, and I know full well only a small percent of those $$ even make it past initial research, much less make it to animal trials, much less make it to human trials, much less even get approved. And yet, for these "vaccines", the money DID come out of thin air - FedGov just threw billions of $$ at these companies, and I'm sure plenty ended up in your other guy's offshore bank accounts.


What? Do you want Pfizer and Moderna to lose money on it?You bet I do, when the cost to me and the rest of the country for them to 'make money' is a complete disregard for other, more effective and much cheaper treatments, a massive destruction of private liberties, a huge increase in national debt that FegGov has no Constitutional power to expend, and so on. Their profit comes at a much greater expense.


If you say that ivermectin has already been created and has passed the trials and has FDA approval, there is one problem. They do not know if the necessary dose to treat COVID is safe for humans and will be effective. Clinical trials have to be done to learn the answer to many questions. If the trials do not show ivermectin is safe at the necessary dose, then out goes that remedy after much expense.

Once again, testing effective dosages for an already known off-label is much less work and expense than a new drug that has to INCLUDE THAT SAME STEP, as well as 100s of others. Your new drugs have the same problem, only more so, you claim [ivermectin] has - no one knows what the effective dosaging is, but in addition no one knows what the max safe dose, toxic dose, etc is. No one knows ANYTHING about them - all of that still needs additional testing besides just effective dose.


The average cost of phase 1, 2, and 3 clinical trials across therapeutic areas is around $4, 13, and 20 million respectively. Pivotal (phase 3) studies for new drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) cost a median of $41,117 per patient. Who is willing to take a chance on ivermectin for COVID?

So about $40MM to completely test a potential treatment, which equals about 1000 test subjects for your new drug. That doesn't sound close to a sufficient clinical trial pool to get a drug approved. Sounds like the financial incentives lean extremely heavily to utilizing existing treatments instead of developing new ones, ESPECIALLY new ones that are an entirely new type of drug. And apparently a lot of people are willing to try out Ivermectiin, take a look at Japan and several other countries!
62 posted on 10/21/2021 9:44:57 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar

"Do you want Pfizer and Moderna to lose money on it?You bet I do, when the cost to me and the rest of the country for them to 'make money' is a complete disregard for other, more effective and much cheaper treatments, a massive destruction of private liberties, a huge increase in national debt that FegGov has no Constitutional power to expend, and so on. Their profit comes at a much greater expense."

You say there are cheaper treatments to combat COVID-19. Let's say everyone could get ivermectin over the counter. Everyone would be self-dosing to prevent getting COVID-19. How much would ivermectin cost if the demand shot up to the Ozone Layer. Would you expect the government to pay the cost?

The use of ivermectin at the population level of the U.S. would produce environmental problems. It would enter the water supply in sewage discharge and affect marine life with serious consequences.

There needs to be more study of ivermectin to determine the dose safety if it is to be used as a preventative. If it is to be used as a treatment, the unvaccinated patient would have had all that time to transmit their contagion before they were isolated as symptoms appeared. Those who are vaccinated, can get infected, but their length of contagion is short and normal safety measures would limit their ability to infect. The cost to benefit ratio of the vaccine outweighs going out into the chicken yard and doing a "sky is falling!" dance against the vaccine.

You have to understand that over 380 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered in the United States from Dec. 14, 2020, through Sept. 13, 2021. In that period, VAERS received 7,653 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. That's less chance of dying from a bee sting (.00168%). You might say that the chance of death from COVID is around 2%. However to be really accurate, it depends upon your age. I found a calculator that you can use to give your chances of death according to your age:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mortality-risk-estimator

You will say that getting COVID will be 98% chance of complete recovery. However, getting COVID risks long term side effects which will shorten you life:

Patients who were infected by COVID-19 had a high rate of stroke and other nervous system ailments; mental health problems such as depression; the onset of diabetes; heart disease and other coronary problems; diarrhea and digestive disorders; kidney disease; blood clots; joint pain; hair loss; and general fatigue. Patients often had clusters of these ailments. They will add to shorten your life. And the more severe the case of COVID-19, the higher the chance of long-term health problems including death.

According to the CDC: "A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy and medical records, there has not been established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines."

The CDC has also reported:

As of Sept. 8, 2021, VAERS received 1,413 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine, and the CDC and FDA have confirmed 854 of them. "CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination."

These myocarditis and pericarditis ailments are short-term and will lead to a cure.

"Recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between" the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and TTS, "a rare and serious adverse event — blood clots with low platelets — which has caused deaths." I am not sure the experts have determined how the vaccine causes this rare ailment.

65 posted on 10/23/2021 10:33:36 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftnicks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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