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Nobel in physics: Climate science breakthroughs earn prize
BBC News ^ | October 5, 2021

Posted on 10/05/2021 3:54:23 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: ScaniaBoy

Water vapor content has a profound effect on ambient temperature, particularly in areas where it is very cold and dry (Arctic/Antarctic, Siberia, etc). This is exactly where we’ve been seeing the warming. It also shows up in higher nighttime low temperatures. Yep, been seeing it there, too. So, when the moisture content increases in these areas temperature also increases. It’s called “Saturation Mixing Ratio”. You don’t need a fancy computer model. Look in the back of any meteorology text book and you’ll find the Saturation Mixing Ratio tables.


41 posted on 10/05/2021 5:45:56 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
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To: Thermalseeker

“Patently false! CO2 is a colorless, odorless HEAVIER THAN AIR molecule. It does not “linger” in the upper atmosphere. It sinks. Gravity is a law, not a suggestion. “

You sure that is how the atmosphere works? If so wouldn’t the lighter Nitrogen be an upper layer and all the Oxygen be on the surface?


42 posted on 10/05/2021 5:52:42 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The question is ..., but does this model match reality? Something we have not seen yet in any model being used to model climate “change”.


43 posted on 10/05/2021 5:57:18 AM PDT by Agatsu77
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

A Nobel Prize - isn’t that what they gave to Obama and Milli Vanilli?


44 posted on 10/05/2021 6:02:06 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So they manufactured a fake system to come up with a pre determined political agenda result

I thought the Nobel had hit bottom with Obama but apparently they can go lower.


45 posted on 10/05/2021 6:14:18 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: no_go_lie

In the last 10 years 2 major new ocean currents were discovered.

Science knows ocean currents have major effects on climate

So for them to claim they have a model, when they cannot identify with aby all the various component impact, like volcanoes etc, on climate is junk science.


46 posted on 10/05/2021 6:20:18 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: Tax-chick

Shoe me the money and I will show you the climate model and outcome you want.


47 posted on 10/05/2021 6:21:53 AM PDT by Liaison (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Renfrew

Yep. Before all the government censoring (started during the Clinton/Gore years) you could find the upper atmospheric research reports done by NASA in the 50’s. Now, that stuff is nowhere to be found, at least not on internet sources. Gee, I wonder why? You can probably still find it in book form in the libraries of schools who teach meteorology, such as Penn State or University of Colorado. As far as the molecular weight of CO2, you can find that easily, and, if you understand the Periodic Table you understand that CO2 is much heavier than nitrogen or oxygen. Another huge clue should have been when the EPA declared carbon dioxide, a molecule essential to all life on the planet, was a pollutant. Plant death starts at 150 ppm. We’re currently at 435 ppm. When the plants die, we die. When I studied Meteorology while attending ERAU in the early 80’s saturation mixing ratio was one of the very first topics. The reason this is studied early on is because you have to understand what effects temperature before you start talking about atmospheric pressure. Water vapor content is the #1 driver of temperature after the infrared we get from the Sun. Ever camped in the desert in the summer? Notice how cold it gets at night? Dry air. Go to Florida and you have the same high temp during the day, but the low is 30F warmer. Wet air. There are many Climatologists, such as Dr. Roy Spencer, Dr. Johnathan Christy, Atmospheric Physicist Richard Lindzen and others, who have opined extensively on this topic. They also talk about why. Their papers and publications aren’t hard to find if you use a search engine other than Google.


48 posted on 10/05/2021 6:26:27 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Very interesting, thanks.


49 posted on 10/05/2021 6:26:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Nature, art, silence, simplicity, peace. And fungi.)
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To: bobbo666

The old rule for models—garbage in, garbage out.

Nothing creates more garbage than grant-seeking Friday night back alley whore “scientists”.


50 posted on 10/05/2021 6:33:26 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Thermalseeker

“It does not ‘linger’ in the upper atmosphere. It sinks. Gravity is a law, not a suggestion.”

There’s other factors involved.

I can’t just put UF6 in a chamber and get U235F6 off the top.

CO2 sinks - slowly:

“Carbon dioxide is a different animal, however. Once it’s added to the atmosphere, it hangs around, for a long time: between 300 to 1,000 years.”

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2915/the-atmosphere-getting-a-handle-on-carbon-dioxide/


51 posted on 10/05/2021 6:47:23 AM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Changing the models until they agree with your “Theory” isn’t science nor worthy of a Nobel.
Of course Obama got his Nobel for being Black.


52 posted on 10/05/2021 6:53:22 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Fresh Wind
I was wrong. The infection has spread.

No kidding! The pandemic has shown us that the infestation of politics into medicine has cost countless lives. It's now getting into engineering schools as well.

No aspect of science is immune to political tampering, and it's every bit as bad or worse than when "the Church" convicted Galileo. But today, the government is "the Church."

Mark

53 posted on 10/05/2021 7:20:14 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is not any sort of proof that the existing models make accurate predictions. And in fact, we know they don’t: They repeatedly fail at predictions of future climate.

And even accurate algorithms will produce wrong answers, given bogus source (input) data.


54 posted on 10/05/2021 11:09:17 AM PDT by sourcery (#MakeThouhtFreeAgain)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

None of these models have been validated against the real-world, rendering them worthless


55 posted on 10/05/2021 12:37:31 PM PDT by nhbob1
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Nobel has gone woke...
It was just a matter of time...


56 posted on 10/05/2021 1:01:59 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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