Posted on 10/05/2021 3:54:23 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Water vapor content has a profound effect on ambient temperature, particularly in areas where it is very cold and dry (Arctic/Antarctic, Siberia, etc). This is exactly where we’ve been seeing the warming. It also shows up in higher nighttime low temperatures. Yep, been seeing it there, too. So, when the moisture content increases in these areas temperature also increases. It’s called “Saturation Mixing Ratio”. You don’t need a fancy computer model. Look in the back of any meteorology text book and you’ll find the Saturation Mixing Ratio tables.
“Patently false! CO2 is a colorless, odorless HEAVIER THAN AIR molecule. It does not “linger” in the upper atmosphere. It sinks. Gravity is a law, not a suggestion. “
You sure that is how the atmosphere works? If so wouldn’t the lighter Nitrogen be an upper layer and all the Oxygen be on the surface?
The question is ..., but does this model match reality? Something we have not seen yet in any model being used to model climate “change”.
A Nobel Prize - isn’t that what they gave to Obama and Milli Vanilli?
So they manufactured a fake system to come up with a pre determined political agenda result
I thought the Nobel had hit bottom with Obama but apparently they can go lower.
In the last 10 years 2 major new ocean currents were discovered.
Science knows ocean currents have major effects on climate
So for them to claim they have a model, when they cannot identify with aby all the various component impact, like volcanoes etc, on climate is junk science.
Shoe me the money and I will show you the climate model and outcome you want.
Yep. Before all the government censoring (started during the Clinton/Gore years) you could find the upper atmospheric research reports done by NASA in the 50’s. Now, that stuff is nowhere to be found, at least not on internet sources. Gee, I wonder why? You can probably still find it in book form in the libraries of schools who teach meteorology, such as Penn State or University of Colorado. As far as the molecular weight of CO2, you can find that easily, and, if you understand the Periodic Table you understand that CO2 is much heavier than nitrogen or oxygen. Another huge clue should have been when the EPA declared carbon dioxide, a molecule essential to all life on the planet, was a pollutant. Plant death starts at 150 ppm. We’re currently at 435 ppm. When the plants die, we die. When I studied Meteorology while attending ERAU in the early 80’s saturation mixing ratio was one of the very first topics. The reason this is studied early on is because you have to understand what effects temperature before you start talking about atmospheric pressure. Water vapor content is the #1 driver of temperature after the infrared we get from the Sun. Ever camped in the desert in the summer? Notice how cold it gets at night? Dry air. Go to Florida and you have the same high temp during the day, but the low is 30F warmer. Wet air. There are many Climatologists, such as Dr. Roy Spencer, Dr. Johnathan Christy, Atmospheric Physicist Richard Lindzen and others, who have opined extensively on this topic. They also talk about why. Their papers and publications aren’t hard to find if you use a search engine other than Google.
Very interesting, thanks.
The old rule for models—garbage in, garbage out.
Nothing creates more garbage than grant-seeking Friday night back alley whore “scientists”.
“It does not ‘linger’ in the upper atmosphere. It sinks. Gravity is a law, not a suggestion.”
There’s other factors involved.
I can’t just put UF6 in a chamber and get U235F6 off the top.
CO2 sinks - slowly:
“Carbon dioxide is a different animal, however. Once it’s added to the atmosphere, it hangs around, for a long time: between 300 to 1,000 years.”
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2915/the-atmosphere-getting-a-handle-on-carbon-dioxide/
Changing the models until they agree with your “Theory” isn’t science nor worthy of a Nobel.
Of course Obama got his Nobel for being Black.
No kidding! The pandemic has shown us that the infestation of politics into medicine has cost countless lives. It's now getting into engineering schools as well.
No aspect of science is immune to political tampering, and it's every bit as bad or worse than when "the Church" convicted Galileo. But today, the government is "the Church."
Mark
This is not any sort of proof that the existing models make accurate predictions. And in fact, we know they don’t: They repeatedly fail at predictions of future climate.
And even accurate algorithms will produce wrong answers, given bogus source (input) data.
None of these models have been validated against the real-world, rendering them worthless
The Nobel has gone woke...
It was just a matter of time...
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