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To: naturalman1975

A good tweet from 2016 I’ll concede that but what about today.

Perrottet should allow people the freedom not to vaccinate what will he have to say about that?

There should be no lockdown extension for the unvaccinated like Berejiklian announced with her attitude the other week.

Trump says nowadays that he wonders if our government isn’t run by Pfizer.

Does Dom Perrottet think Pfizer and Pharma are driving governments to push their vaccines on people?

Bill Cunningham the Conservative host on the radio in the USA Sunday night talking about the big money of Pharma and the politicians pushing for people to vaccinate.

I hope Perrottet isn’t taking that money.

I really don’t want to fight with you but stand the ground for personal freedom on vaccination which Liberals, Nationals and Labor have all trampled on.

Heck, I’m watching all the news and all the inputs with my daily blog news summaries.

West Australia seems awfully friendly to Peking (as Peter Hitchens dares to call it knowing it upsets the Chicoms) you have some mining magnate out there and the Premier kissing up for the October 1st anniversary of the People’s Republic.

So I wish you well and hope things move in a better direction down the road.


17 posted on 10/03/2021 9:08:40 PM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODYS BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Nextrush

I honestly don’t have a clue what Parrottet is going to do.

But he deserves to be given the chance to do it before he’s judged.

I also think he should be judged in the appropriate context - Australia has a national plan that has involved months of painstaking negotiation to achieve.

If he does something to derail that by going ‘too far’ as the plan is concerned, it could make things worse. People like Daniel Andrews in Victoria and Annastacia Palaszczuk in Queensland are looking for excuses to back away from than plan (Mark McGowan in Western Australia probably doesn’t feel like he needs an excuse). And definitely looking for excuses to keep people from New South Wales out of their states for even longer - he needs to consider the impact of any decisions he takes on things like that as well. That plan is really where the idea of mass vaccination comes from - I agree the Liberal/National coalition hasn’t done the best job of resisting, but they are outnumbered five to three in terms of control of Australia’s various jurisdictions - they’ve had to negotiate from a position of relative weakness and getting concessions out of the socialist states meant some compromises needed to be made.


20 posted on 10/03/2021 9:53:50 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Nextrush
I also think it's important to understand that in Australia, vaccination really isn't all that controversial. The great majority of Australians are perfectly willing to get vaccinated. I'm one of them. Maybe we're all wrong, but it seems to be a very different context from the US.

Remember because we haven't had large outbreaks here (comparatively) only a very small number of people have any protection from COVID from actually had COVID. To me, that does change the equation when it comes to vaccination.

Personally I think it's fine for Australians and Americans to have different opinions on things like this. But a politician supporting vaccination in Australia is not facing the same level of grass roots opposition as I'm inclined to think a politician in America would be.

So I don't think it should be viewed in the same way.

That's different from the idea of mandatory vaccinations. There is considerably more opposition to that here, and I certainly do not support forcing people to get vaccinated, except maybe in a small number of high risk roles, like medical care - I certainly do not support the very wide mandates that are starting to appear (like in my state of Victoria where basically if you want to work at the moment you need to be vaccinated or in the process of getting vaccinated). Part of the reason I don't support it, is I don't think it's necessary because Australians mostly support getting vaccinated - we're going to get to over 80% without any need for any sort of mandating, maybe close to 90% so I can't see there's any reason to be pushing for mandatory vaccination - it's not going to make much difference in the end.

But the general support of the idea for vaccination means that I think linking policy settings to vaccine targets that we know will be achieved is defensible. NSW is already due to open a lot more next week - if he is elected Perrottet might speed that up, but I could also see him taking a position - it's going to happen in six days anyway, why spend political capital on that - note, I'm not saying that's what he will do - he might speed things up - but in the circumstances I wouldn't be too worried if he didn't.

I'd be more interested in what he might do with the next target. I can see more value in him bringing that forward. But if he does go too fast, I do wonder what that will do to the Labor controlled states - South Australia doesn't worry me too much (they've actually been more reasonable than the other Labor states). Western Australia - I think they'll just do what they do. But Queensland and Victoria have given some ground - not much, especially for Victoria, but some - in negotiations, and giving them, especially Daniel Andrews right now, any excuse to go back on their plan is problematic.

21 posted on 10/03/2021 10:05:48 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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