This is what I figured out years ago, and I realized you can't reason a man out of a position he didn't reason himself into.
I had a good friend from Allentown Pennsylvania, and he was a big Eagles fan. The Eagles could do no wrong. They were the greatest football team ever. Eagles Eagles Eagles. Eagles tee shirts, Eagles coffee cups, Eagles posters, Eagles memorabilia. Eagles Tattoo.
This is BroJoeK. He has the adoration of a loving fan, and he is immutable to reason about his "Team." He cannot be objective, he is simply incapable of it.
You want to hear how the Eagles are the greatest football team ever in the history of the World? Talk to BroJoeK. You want to hear the truth? Talk to other people.
There's no point in humoring him - or the haradan. Neither arrived at their position through reason. Neither is capable of intellectual honesty. Both are obsessive and just want to steal as much of your time as you will let them steal.