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From Russia with Love
American Thinker.com ^ | September 11, 2021 | Jesse Russel

Posted on 09/11/2021 2:57:30 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: tlozo
Tlozo: In Russia people have no rights

Also Tlozo: Lutherans have a federal right to witness their faith freely


21 posted on 09/11/2021 10:06:36 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: dfwgator
I had forgotten that line from the shot down US pilot.

This stack exchange thread recounts the dialogue and offers some explanations, including the Sino-Soviet split. Summary: Mao wasn't happy about de-stalinization by Kruschev in the 50s so the USSR and China were far from friends despite both having communist roots.

In 1984 when Red Dawn came out, the idea of Russia attacking China as well as the West, while stupid strategically, was maybe not so unbelieveable in a plot line.

22 posted on 09/11/2021 10:07:04 AM PDT by Textide (Lord, grant that I may always be right, for thou knowest I am hard to turn. ~ Scotch-Irish prayer)
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To: Textide

My point being is that everybody loved China in the 1980s, it was their “Charm Offensive” to our businesses when they started to take over manufacturing and building up their businesses at our expensive. But who dared the criticize them then?


23 posted on 09/11/2021 10:09:16 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: tlozo
In Russia, people have no rights.

That is silly. I've seen protests in Russia from Russian vloggers on YouTube and live on Bayklokov.live.

What Russia doesn't allow is violent protests like we do.

24 posted on 09/11/2021 10:29:13 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

I noticed even Bald and Bankrupt went off on Putin a few months ago, I don’t think he’s been back to Russia since, been in Ukraine a lot, though.


25 posted on 09/11/2021 10:37:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Kazan

Roman is my favorite Russian vlogger, this guy cracks me up.

https://www.youtube.com/c/MultiNfz


26 posted on 09/11/2021 10:38:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

I’ve seen several of his videos with Benjamin from Bald and Bankrupt. Benjamin’s videos with anyone are very entertaining.


27 posted on 09/11/2021 11:07:59 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, I don’t imagine they were seen as much of a threat back then. They were having bicycle traffic jams in ghe 80s.


28 posted on 09/11/2021 11:14:41 AM PDT by Textide (Lord, grant that I may always be right, for thou knowest I am hard to turn. ~ Scotch-Irish prayer)
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To: UnwashedPeasant
There was a 2012 remake of Red Dawn. The bad guys were supposed to be China, but this was changed to North Korea to avoid upsetting the CCP.

The same thing was done with Olympus Has Fallen.

29 posted on 09/11/2021 11:22:14 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (11/3-11/4/2020 - The USA became a banana republic.)
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To: dfwgator

I like Bayklokov’s videos too, I really want to visit St. Petersburg after seeing his videos.


30 posted on 09/11/2021 11:22:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: mac_truck
Tlozo: In Russia people have no rights Also Tlozo: Lutherans have a federal right to witness their faith freely

Russians have a long history of having "rights" in their constitution that the government never respected. The Soviet Constitution included a series of civil and political rights. "Among these were the rights to freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of assembly and the right to religious belief and worship."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Constitution_of_the_Soviet_Union

31 posted on 09/11/2021 11:31:21 AM PDT by tlozo
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To: Kazan
That is silly. I've seen protests in Russia from Russian vloggers on YouTube and live on Bayklokov.live. What Russia doesn't allow is violent protests like we do.

If people have rights in Russia how do you explain what happened to the Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the chief executive of Russia's largest oil company and the richest man in Russia. He dabbled in politics, challenging Putin and was sent to prison for ten years. Russia confiscated all his oil wealth, deported his Canadian attorney and moved to disbar eight of his Russian attorneys.

"It is the Singapore model, it is a term that people understand in Russia these days. It means that theoretically you have a free press, but in practice there is self-censorship. Theoretically you have courts, in practice the courts adopt decisions dictated from above. Theoretically there are civil rights enshrined in the constitution; in practice you are not able to exercise some of these rights."

Mikhail Khodorkovsky

32 posted on 09/11/2021 11:50:58 AM PDT by tlozo
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If people have rights in Russia how do you explain what happened to the Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the chief executive of Russia's largest oil company and the richest man in Russia.

You mean the convicted fraudster oligarch who the Russian President eventually pardoned? Even the European Court of Human Rights sided with the Russian government in that case.

33 posted on 09/11/2021 12:20:32 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: tlozo
So Russia now has a state church which they had under the tsars, i.e. authoritarian and not totalitarian.

Was Elizabethan England totalitarian with their Anglican state church? Were the original colonies totalitarian with their various official churches which exiled non-believers? Was Rome or Greece totalitarian with their state pagan religions? Were the various Holy Roman Empires or Protestant monarchies totalitarian?

34 posted on 09/11/2021 12:40:10 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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You mean the convicted fraudster oligarch

LOL, sure, all the oligarchs around Putin are honest oligarchs. Mikhail Khodorkovsky made the mistake of confronting Putin about his crooked friends.

In February 2003, at a televised meeting at the Kremlin, Khodorkovsky argued with Putin about corruption. He implied that major government officials were accepting millions in bribes.

On the morning of 25 October 2003, Khodorkovsky was arrested at Novosibirsk airport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky

35 posted on 09/11/2021 2:19:44 PM PDT by tlozo
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To: mac_truck

“Been away so long I hardly knew the place

Gee it’s good to be back home

Waitin’ ‘til tomorrow to unpack my case...”


36 posted on 09/11/2021 2:31:22 PM PDT by OKSooner (Always say, "After the fair trial".)
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To: dfwgator
One of the Russian YouTubers, Dari Step, had a prize giveaway for subscribers. I won and she sent me a book with the writings of Leo Tolstoy and Victory Day postcard.

She's a very pretty girl:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp2tGdTScqY8KCIWw7yc5QA

37 posted on 09/11/2021 4:49:23 PM PDT by Kazan
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I like Dari, but I prefer Eli!

https://www.youtube.com/c/ElifromRussia


38 posted on 09/11/2021 4:51:20 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: tlozo

And how do you explain Seth Rich, Jeffrey Epstein, and wave of death of Clinton associates by knife, gun, and “suicide”.
How do you explain the tremendous growth of Chritianty in Russia ans state sponsorship for the building and restoration of churches.
It’s enough of a twist to stand me on my head at times. In America today we have entered the US or them phase of conflict. Better them than us and we leave none of them to breed or their offspring. And that has never been my line of thought til recently. There is no lie they won’t tell and no deed they won’t do.


39 posted on 09/12/2021 3:26:49 AM PDT by .44 Special (Taimid Buacharch)
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