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LIVE: Watch the Robert E. Lee statue being removed from Monument Avenue in Richmond
Richmond Times-Dispatch ^ | September 8, 2021

Posted on 09/08/2021 6:31:39 AM PDT by Cecily

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To: Torahman

Indeed. We saw all this crap come to a Head last year, with the spoiled-brat brigade sanctioned by their political leaders defacing to destroying and bringing down ALL statues…

People back in Freddy Gray days 2015 didn’t think too much when these same scum took down some Confed statues and changed some names (like here in Baltimore….yes, Yankees, we have LOTS of Confederate honors here). They applauded, and celebrated, harrumphing as some statues were removed of “traitors”.

We told you the attack on the CSA is only the start. They should know, because leftists hate not only the CSA but the USA.

SO, HERE we are, destroying statues of all American heroes, because AMERICA is so evil.


41 posted on 09/08/2021 7:08:03 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: TallahasseeConservative

‘Slavery was a dying institution at the inception of the War of Northern Aggression and would have died of natural causes.’

false; the institution was alive and thriving in the Confederacy, but several states were running up against depleting resources and opportunities...this is why the slave states expanding westward became such a contentious issue...

that they would have given up slavery without a fight is nonsense, especially not at the instigation of the federal states...in retrospect, both contending parties were guilty of one of the oldest shortcomings of human history, namely, crass exploitation of labor; but slavery is crasser than a permanent poverty stricken underclass that was the northern model...


42 posted on 09/08/2021 7:08:21 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: MattMusson

Does this change History?? NO, just white washes it a little.


43 posted on 09/08/2021 7:08:51 AM PDT by mastertex (mastertex)
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To: BenLurkin

If I was 7’2” I could have played in the NBA. I’m not. And he didn’t win. So whats your point?


44 posted on 09/08/2021 7:09:09 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Cecily

I’d rather not watch this travesty in action.


45 posted on 09/08/2021 7:10:14 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: bigdaddy45

You asked if Lee had won, what is it exactly he would have accomplished?

I answered.


46 posted on 09/08/2021 7:10:35 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

He would have been known as a “Great General”. Terrific. And what would the Confederate States of America had accomplished? And where would they be now? Are you arguing the world would be better off if they HAD won?


47 posted on 09/08/2021 7:11:55 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: TallahasseeConservative
Slavery was a dying institution at the inception of the War of Northern Aggression and would have died of natural causes.

Then it doesn't make a lot of sense for the south to launch a rebellion to protect an institution that was on death's door. Perhaps it was because none of the southern leadership of the time thought it was a dying institution?

48 posted on 09/08/2021 7:12:14 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: bigdaddy45

Not just great. Greatest.

Which is what I was said in my initial post.


49 posted on 09/08/2021 7:14:02 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: Cecily

What does Robert E Lee have to do with BLM?


50 posted on 09/08/2021 7:14:25 AM PDT by tennmountainman ( Less Lindell CONS, More AZ Style Audits)
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To: DoodleDawg

Yep, if you read the rhetoric of the time, it’s clear they had no intention of ending slavery anytime soon. Even if slavery economically was going to run its’ course, I’m sure they also were thinking ahead to the consequences of having to deal with the freed slaves.

That’s the whole problem with slavery, it was a short-term economic gain, but it was going to create a burden that future generations were going to have to deal with, long after those who benefitted from slavery were long gone.


51 posted on 09/08/2021 7:15:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: bigdaddy45
How many other countries honor traitors who lost? Lee decided protecting Virginia and the institution of slavery was more important than protecting his country.

Conservatives still believe many of the things that Lee believed - the importance of one's home, the primacy of local government, over the rule of the central state. The rights of states over the central government. The behavior of a gentleman, particularly in war. Even his enemies understood Lee's cause, and recognized Lee as an honorable man. That attitude on both sides allowed a quick reunification of the country, and avoided Civil War 2, 3, or more, as most countries would experience.

Your thinking represents a very 20th century, totalitarian, total war concept. Unfortunately, that's where America's politics are today.

52 posted on 09/08/2021 7:15:14 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: BenLurkin

Stalin beat back the Germans and won World War II. So he gets the title of the Soviet Unions Greatest Leader. And how does history view him now?

Lee, historically, came off better by losing.


53 posted on 09/08/2021 7:16:22 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

Maybe. Maybe the USA would’ve curtailed its tendency to go fascist with more and more spending and more and more taxation and regulation. Because they wouldn’t have as many agricultural resources to simply transfer to their mills.


54 posted on 09/08/2021 7:16:34 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: BenLurkin

Oh, it’s pretty clear that Grant knew Lee was the better general - he didn’t let that scare him from doing what he needed to do.

Grant’s own description of his first battle as Colonel of a regiment should be required reading for ANY military officer. His simple epiphany from that scrap guided him for the rest of the war.

If anyone hasn’t read Grant’s autobiography, they should. Wonderful piece of work.


55 posted on 09/08/2021 7:16:57 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: bigdaddy45

#41

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3992902/posts?page=41#41

I can’t believe after last year you don’t see what this is and what you’re siding with so glibly insulting great men.


56 posted on 09/08/2021 7:17:56 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: larrytown
Oh, it’s pretty clear that Grant knew Lee was the better general

Lincoln thought so too. Lee was his first choice to lead the Union Army.

57 posted on 09/08/2021 7:20:05 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: BenLurkin
No way to prove it, but strongly suspect that both Grant and Patton understood that Lee was their better.

Probably not. You can still respect a man and still consider yourself a better general, especially if your record shows it. Grant, of one, respected Lee as a man and as a commander but he wasn't in awe of him. When his subordinates cautioned him about Lee early in the 1864 Overland Campaign, Grant's reply was, “Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do.”

Not the words of a man who felt inferior to his opponent.

58 posted on 09/08/2021 7:20:39 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: PGR88

Here here.

Or is it, hear hear?


59 posted on 09/08/2021 7:20:58 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Cecily

Idiots.

5.56mm


60 posted on 09/08/2021 7:23:25 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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