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To: Kaslin
Excellent article!

In my own online interactions with people of that ilk (incl. even close relatives), I have sadly noted that even repeatedly identifying their main arguments as "invalid" (and even always clearly identifying the specific fallacy - i.e., "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc!" or "Bulverism!") elicits hardly any coherent response - excerpt perhaps an indignant "You're being mean and hurtful!" or "But it isn't fair!"

I know for a fact that some of these people took college-level classes in Classical Philosophy, etc. - but they appear to have utterly forgotten or even actively disavowed Western Civilization's 2,300-year-old tradition of Aristotelian logic (though they won't admit to it).

Regards,

2 posted on 08/08/2021 4:47:25 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
In my own online interactions with people of that ilk (incl. even close relatives), I have sadly noted that even repeatedly identifying their main arguments as "invalid" (and even always clearly identifying the specific fallacy - i.e., "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc!" or "Bulverism!") elicits hardly any coherent response - excerpt perhaps an indignant "You're being mean and hurtful!" or "But it isn't fair!"

My experience exactly. They may have one very easily refuted counter-objection, but after that they either get angry, refuse to discuss it further, or burst into tears.

4 posted on 08/08/2021 5:58:17 AM PDT by fidelis (Defeatism and despair are like poison to men's souls. If you can't be positive, at least be quiet.)
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To: alexander_busek; P.O.E.

Wow, this explains a lot about my interactions with some people. They make a statement of fact, and seem to want their emotion validated before we can go on. They also sometimes or frequently respond by pointing out what they think my feelings are.


8 posted on 08/08/2021 6:45:15 AM PDT by Chicory
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