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Thousands Of Ships, Millions Of Troops: China Is Assembling a Huge Fleet For War With Taiwan
https://www.forbes.com ^ | Jul 27, 2021 | David AxeForbes Staff

Posted on 07/27/2021 7:14:19 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19

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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "MY POSITION is that the policy is bad since it depends upon who the prez is or is going to be.
But you are too stupid to consider this."

The policy is what it is and it's served us well since, roughly, 1950.
Some US presidents have executed the policy aggressively, i.e., sending US aircraft carriers through the Taiwan Straight, other presidents have been more cautious.
And the Chi-Com threat against Taiwan has remained the same all these years -- they always claimed to "own" Taiwan and threatened Taiwan militarily.

The only difference is today the Chi-Com threat seems more imminent because their military has grown so rapidly -- not in size but in technological capabilities.
For the first time now they seem to be formidable enough to make good on the threats they've been making since roughly 1950.
So, how aggressive Pres. Kamala Biden will be in executing US law regarding Taiwan is anybody's guess -- naturally I fear the worst but always hope for the best.

Kevmo: "***So it was a shiite policy from the beginning."

I thought so at the time Nixon first made his new China policy using "ping-pong diplomacy".
I was then serving overseas in the military, I thought then it was stupid to, seemingly, throw Taiwan under the bus, but it looked like no harm came to Taiwan from Nixon's new policy then.

Now the ambiguities in Nixon's China policy make it possible for geniuses like yourself to claim the US has no moral or strategic reason to help defend Taiwan against naked Chi-Com aggression.
That's too bad, but I still think we should do the best we can.

Kevmo: "***Bad policy.
You seem to think it’s a good policy when we have a good prez, bad policy when we have a bad prez.
Nixon kept Taiwan firmly in place as Chinese soil.
Taiwan will pay that price."

Neither Nixon nor any other US president has ever said we will not help with Taiwan's defense, and US law requires us to help them.
If Pres. Kamala Biden walks away from Taiwan when the chips are down, then Taiwan will not be the last country in Asia to be conquered by Chi-Com aggressions.

It will not end well for us.

261 posted on 07/31/2021 11:45:52 AM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: BroJoeK
At the moment I aint interested in what a sociopath has to say.


262 posted on 07/31/2021 11:46:38 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK
Sociopath said sumthin sumthin


263 posted on 07/31/2021 11:49:13 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK
I aint interested in what sociopaths have to say


264 posted on 07/31/2021 11:51:17 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***About 1/3 of the population of Taiwan is Taiwanese.
About 1/3 are ethnic chinese, no more than half of whom will be fighting on the side of the chicoms in a 5th colum.
And about 1/3 are soyboys who don’t care who’s in charge as long as they got their Starbucks and cable tv."

As always, you are confused about the facts, preferring your pro-ChiCom fantasies.

Here's the truth:

  1. Native Taiwanese are Taiwan-nationalists who will fight to defend their independence.
    Their political party (DPP) is now in charge of Taiwan's government.

  2. The ethnic Chinese are the old Kuomintang who first established separate government on Taiwan circa 1949.
    They ruled Taiwan as a dictatorship for decades but transformed to a constitutional republic in the 1980s and as of 2020 are the minority party, the KMT.
    Today they advocate closer ties to mainland China, but they would be executed first in any Chi-Com genocide of Taiwan.
    They will fight to keep Taiwan free, depend on it.

  3. The "soy-boys" that have you so excited, sound like Taiwan's version of American "independents" or, in polls, "undecideds".
    That means many are persuadable, or swayable by "ground truth" and if that includes Chi-Com invasion forces landing, there's no reason to suppose the vast majority wouldn't fight to defend their homes.

    One analogy here might be 1860s US Southerners who had no interest at all in slavery, but still fought for the Confederacy against "Yankee invaders".
    I think that's your Taiwanese "soy boys".

Kevmo: "***Even the US acknowledges them as a province of China.
So does the United Nations."

That is not the language of the 1979 US Taiwan Relations Act (another of traitor Carter's deals), which required the US government to treat Taiwan essentially like any other independent country and to provide it with military aid.

Kevmo: "***How, by not declaring independence?
The brave Estonians declared independence from the USSR at the first chance they could get."

I can't fathom why a Declaration of Independence is driving you so crazy -- the fact is that Estonia was a Soviet "republic" for decades and so rightfully declared independence, while Taiwan was never a Chi-Com province, and so has no need to declare anything, period.

Kevmo: "***More word salad blatherbullshiite from you."

And those words of yours here expose you, yet again, as a kowtowing toady of the Chi-Coms -- isn't their word for you a "running dog"?
Seems an odd term for man's best friend, but the Chi-Coms have a different view of dogs, don't they?

Kevmo: "***When China sends 15 million migrants in a sampan mass migration to Taiwan, it will most certainly be labelled “peaceful and lawful”.
I’m sure your buddy Biden will go along with that.
But you, naturally, say that such a thing could not happen."

So far as I can tell, that is pure wet-dream fantasy on your part, most especially where you say, "your buddy Biden".
Seems to me, you and your "buddy Biden" are on the same team, and who knows, maybe for the same reasons -- you all have been bought off or compromised by the Chi-Coms to the point where, like "running dogs" you're totally happy to let Chi-Coms invade Taiwan and genocide its people.

Kevmo: "***Your wet dream fantasy is that Biden will fight the Chinese on Chinese soil over a renegade province that has yet to declare independence."

So, seriously, by now can't you see how insanely you're babbling?
You and Democrat Biden are on the same team -- compromised by the Chi-Coms, unwilling or unable to stand up against them, happy to let Chi-Coms genocide Taiwan while you enjoy your wet-dream fantasies.

265 posted on 07/31/2021 12:40:56 PM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***Then what prevents Taiwan from simply declaring independence?
That is the delineating factor, the very raison d’etre for why we would even fight for such a petulant and ridiculous ally."

By analogy, for the same reason we never declared independence from... France!
We were never ruled by France and so never declared independence.
Taiwan, literally, cannot declare independence from an illegitimate regime in Beijing that it was never, ever subject to, period.

How is that hard for you to grasp?

Kevmo: "***The UN and the US would disagree with you. It is categorized as a renegade province."

I can't speak for the UN, but there's certainly nothing in US law or policy which identifies Taiwan as a renegade province of the Chi-Coms!

Kevmo: "***Take that up with the UN.
Send your forces to die on that hill."

No need to attack the Chi-Coms, so long as they stay out of Taiwan.
If they invade Taiwan, it will be a major event and you personally will not escape the negative consequences -- count on that.

Kevmo: "***Wrong.
China is not only a UN state [Taiwan isn’t] but they are one of the 5 permanent members of the Security Council.
As usual you don’t know what you are talking about."

Wrong, as you know perfectly well, the UN is a totally corrupt organization with no legitimacy itself beyond a debating society.
Dictatorships like the Chi-Coms rule the UN and make it a farcical image of what its founders intended.
So you can't appeal to the UN to claim the Chi-Coms are legit, it would be like appealing to the World Health Organization for information on Covid-19 origins!

Kevmo: "***We are talking about the DEFINITION of a STATE.
By the very DEFINITION, it would encompass OTHER STATES.
Surely, even YOU can’t be this stupid."

Sorry, FRiend, but you not actually talking about anything, only babbling a lot of nonsense.
You really should go back and rethink everything you're hoping to say here.

266 posted on 07/31/2021 12:59:45 PM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "You drew first blood.
You violated your own stated policy."

No I didn't and you can prove it to yourself.
Go back and show where I supposedly "drew first blood".
I will then show you where you "drew blood" before that.

267 posted on 07/31/2021 1:02:48 PM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: BroJoeK

You’re still yappin away?


268 posted on 07/31/2021 1:58:49 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK

More yappin’ by the sociopath.


269 posted on 07/31/2021 1:59:44 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK

More babblin’ bullshiite from the sociopath.


270 posted on 07/31/2021 2:00:39 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***Of course, this completely ignores that such a huge thermal target is quite vulnerable to CURRENT chinese ASBM technology, that we would be using those ships to uphold an ally who has never declared independence and is currently a province of China, and that our super-duper weapons would be aimed at a civilian flotilla of chinese migrants moving to an internal chinese province.
But let’s all enjoy brojerk’s insults while he blithely ignores these possibilities."

OK, so let's take these (yet again) one at a time:

  1. "this completely ignores that such a huge thermal target is quite vulnerable to CURRENT chinese ASBM technology,"

    We're not as vulnerable as you fantasize.
    First, those Chi-Com allegedly "Mach 10" missiles are really only going around Mach 2 by the time they reach the target area, and that makes them vulnerable to at least half a dozen different types of anti-missile defense systems -- a layered defense in depth, such that warheads which get through one defense will be met by another, then another, etc.

    As for claims that the Chi-Coms can launch thousands of such missiles, we have thousands of rounds of anti-missile weapons.

  2. "that we would be using those ships to uphold an ally who has never declared independence and is currently a province of China,"

    Taiwan has never declared independence because it was never a province of the Chi-Coms.
    But I'm totally delighted -- indeed almost deliriously happy to see -- you identify Taiwan as a US ally.
    That means something.
    It should mean a lot.

  3. "and that our super-duper weapons would be aimed at a civilian flotilla of chinese migrants moving to an internal chinese province."

    Again, you are simply fantasizing a scenario which would never work in practice, for reasons that seem pretty obvious, beginning here:

    • The Chi-Coms have never encouraged anyone to leave their "workers' paradise", and so right away reasonable people would suspect a ruse.

    • Establishing whether it is or is not just a ruse would be a simple matter of the Taiwan navy meeting this fantasy flotilla in the Taiwan straight and questioning them.
      If the flotilla boats submit to questioning and obey Taiwan navy orders, then the problem is relatively easily handled.

    • But if instead they come out shooting against Taiwanese navy, and using women & children as human-shields, that is a different situation, and may require more forceful measures, including, first & foremost, putting all of Taiwan on full alert.

    • Further, if the Chi-Com navy now comes out to support their civilian ruse, then their scam is blown and everyone knows war has started.
      In a war, military targets are hit first, and those would include whatever Chi-Com navy vessels are around.
      Absent the Chi-Com navy to support them, the alleged "civilian flotilla" becomes much more manageable for a Taiwan nation which is now on full alert & mobilization.

    • Finally, you seem far too concerned with the ability of CNN to single-handedly defeat both Taiwan and any allies which might come to its defense.
      I don't think the Chi-Com News Network is that potent an enemy.
Kevmo: "***It would not be naked aggression.
It would be a flotilla of chinese civilians."

And you learned this from your Chi-Com masters?
And they swore you to secrecy, not tell anyone of their great master-plan?
Oh, I'll bet they so happy with you now!

Kevmo: " And you “forgot” to acknowledge that the US acknowledges this is an interior dispute on acknowledged chinese soil."

The US has never, ever, acknowledged a Chi-Com "right" to invade Taiwan, and has always, forever committed to help with Taiwan's defense against a Chi-Com invasion.

Those are the facts, get used to them.

271 posted on 07/31/2021 2:10:25 PM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***AGAIN you refuse to address the hypothetical."

Why would I address every insane hypothetical you can fantasize?
There's no reason to, no need to.
Any lunatic can invent a dozen hypotheticals with a few minutes thought -- there's no reason whatever to treat them seriously.

Kevmo: "You’re kinda like... a professional at this cover-your-ears-and-yell-”na nah nah nah” approach to debating.
Very disingenuous."

When you're just calling names & making ridiculous accusations, that's not "debating".

Kevmo: "That accusation of disingenuous comes up an awful lot with you.
You’re basically dishonest."

People like yourself who are in fact basically dishonest put a lot of effort into accusing others of what they themselves do best.

Kevmo: "***Fascinating.
It took you THIS LONG to start addressing this point.
It’s like pulling teeth with you.
Taiwan has EVERY reason to declare REAL FRACKING INDEPENDENCE, none of this bullshiite “independence” double quote nonsense you’re coming up with. "

Nonsense, I've said essentially the same thing from the beginning.
And your insane focus on a "Declaration of Independence" is just that: insane.
It's totally unnecessary -- indeed it could well be counter-productive -- because the Chi-Coms never ruled Taiwan.

Kevmo: "You can’t even address an issue without being a complete @$$ about it.
Taiwan’s existence as an independent nation hangs in the balance but idiots like you are allowing their hubris to paint them into a corner."

That's just your opinion.
I disagree.

Kevmo: "***You said sumthin sumthin?"

Yes, I said you're an agent of the Chi-Coms and I hope your handlers are paying you well for doing their bidding.

Kevmo: "***It is absolutely and utterly clear to see how disingenuous you have been on this thread.
At this point it’s just an exercise for the lurkers to see for themselves."

Disingenuous is you, Kevmo, posting on behalf of the Chi-Com regime without telling us how much they pay you for it.

Kevmo: "***And long failed to deliver, for some allies.
Because of that bullshiite ‘absolute reality’ of us going long on promises and short on political will."

Decades spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives in places like Afghanistan or Vietnam is not "short on political will" in my book.

272 posted on 07/31/2021 2:37:11 PM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: BroJoeK

273 posted on 07/31/2021 2:51:53 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: BroJoeK
You're nuts.


274 posted on 07/31/2021 2:54:51 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***You obviously do not know how military planning works. "

I'd be somewhat curious to learn how you fantasize military planning works.

Kevmo: "***For me.
For the USA.
For indigenous peoples like the Kurds, and the Taiwanese (whom you so often misapply the term about)."

None of that can be true, unless by "the Taiwanese" you really mean: Chi-Com rule over Taiwan, which you fantasize will "liberate" & improve the lives of "the Taiwanese."

Kevmo: "***Frack off, @$$#0/e.
You’re the one working for the chicoms by not acknowledging the facts on the ground."

Seriously, how did your brain get so messed up?
You're here endlessly, totally dishonestly supporting a Chi-Com invasion of Taiwan, and yet you want to accuse me of your own malfeasance?
What's wrong with you, FRiend?

Kevmo: "***You’re the one upholding this bullshiite as good policy.
Now your buddy Biden is in place, so how is it good policy?
Eh? It aint, because he is throwing the ethnic Taiwanese under the bus."

Naw... Biden is your buddy, not mine.
Like you he's in the pay of the Chi-Coms and will potentially throw Taiwan under the bus if push comes to shove.
Biden will do just what you want -- stand aside while the Chi-Coms "liberate" Taiwan, and genocide anybody there they don't like.
So, congratulation, you're a "winner"!

Kevmo: "***Will you just fracking stop it, @$$#0/e?
You seem to have some weird sexual Freudian thing about wet dreams. "

No, no, silly boy -- I'm simply illustrating in the best way I know how, how utterly pathetically disgusting your hypothetical fantasies are to me, and to anyone else who reads them.
Are you finally now starting to "get" it?

Kevmo: "***No, my approach is to declare independence and fight it out while we’re still strong enough to do so.
That time is rapidly dwindling because of this ridiculous policy you uphold and because libtard pacifist China-appeasers are in charge now.
But it won’t work unless it’s about Taiwan becoming an independent country."

Your problem is that's total fantasy because Taiwan has always been, since circa 1949, an independent country.
There's no need for them to declare anything.
There's every need for us to support them in the event of a Chi-Com military invasion.

And yet you refuse to to support that.

Kevmo: "***You’re SAYING this? You took THIS LONG to SAY this? "

No, I've said the same thing from the beginning, but you've been far more interested in insults than reasoned arguments.

Kevmo: "***You have not developed this thesis whatsoever.
It would need its own thread but you’re too much of a pu$$y to open your own thread."

Sane people wouldn't need to hear that expressed at great length, it would be more than adequate to mention it in passing, which I've done, frequently.

Kevmo: "***You ARE kowtowing to them by upholding the policy that will lead to Taiwan’s doom."

You're the one who wants to let the Chi-Coms invade Taiwan without support from the US -- that will lead to their doom.
Of course, if you fantasize the Chi-Coms will "liberate" Taiwan, then I totally "get" where you're coming from: you're the enemy.

Kevmo: "***OMG.
You ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE something that was written in furtherence of a position you disagree with, a FACT.
I do believe this is the first time this has happened with you on this thread, and it possibly could be the first time it has ever happened with you, ever."

You apparently have no clue what you're saying, you're just babbling insanely.
For people of "a certain age", nobody needs to explain the theory of "Mutual Assured Destruction" (MAD), which even today largely rules international relations.
It could well be argued that MAD has helped keep the world mostly at peace since the end of the Second World War.
MAD is based on the idea that a country which first uses nuclear weapons will be utterly destroyed.
It's intended to prevent the use of nukes, but it depends on each country believing others will use nukes if their own country used nukes first -- do you "get" that idea?

Kevmo: "***Yup. All those civilian sampan migrators will be perfect targets.
PR Nightmare. And of course when this all goes pear-shaped we can come back to folks like YOU to make things right?
Nope.
Just as I thought. You folks are sociopaths."

So now you will accuse me of what appears to be the essence of who & what Kevmo is: "sociopath"?

Consider this: just this century we've seen huge numbers -- millions & millions -- of migrants into Europe and the USA from various poor countries.
Many of those to Southern Europe even came by boat from Africa.
The results were widely predicted to cause huge problems within those countries that accepted millions of migrants.
So far it's hard to say if any European country is threatened existentially by these migrations, but for certain, no other country has used migration as their excuse for military invasion of a European country.

So there's no reason to think your fantasies are anything else.

Kevmo: "***All it takes is one of those ASBMs to get through.
America would luze about 10,000 men and $500Billion for each aircraft carrier lost.
At the cost of perhaps $10M for the missile that knocks out the carrier.
And notice that it took you THIS LONG to start addressing the issues.
You’re just a jerk."

The only jerk here is you -- you're just calling me what you see in the mirror.
The truth is I've patiently addressed all these issues now several times, but you are vastly more interested in insults than actual arguments.

Now, so far, you've predicted that US will lose five aircraft carriers and 250,000 sailors/marines/troops if we attempt to support Taiwan against a Chi-Com invasion.
Here you tell us we'll lose 10,000 men and $500 billion for each aircraft carrier your Chi-Com masters sink, if even one of their magic-missiles gets through.
I'm saying all of that -- every word of it -- is utter nonsense.

But wars can be very deadly indeed, and if the Chi-Coms first start a war, then escalate it beyond a mere "flotilla of civilians", they themselves will suffer at least as much as they inflict on us.
You understand that, right?

Kevmo: "***But we won’t be able to stop a civilian-led invasion of Taiwan."

Your fantasies notwithstanding, Taiwanese will have no serious trouble distinguishing civilians from military, with or without the help of the Chi-Com News Network.

Kevmo: "***Oh what a fun game you have invented. You’re obtuse. No, you’re obtuse. Frack off, sociopath."

Your insults are not arguments, they don't make you look smart, they do make it look like you have nothing serious to say.

Kevmo [on "helpless"]: "***I did not say we were, so quit the fracking straw argumentation, sociopath."

You've said we'll lose five aircraft carriers, at $500 billion and 10,000 men each, plus 250,000 total troops killed if we help defend Taiwan from Chi-Com invasion.
That sounds pretty helpless.

I think the Chi-Coms would lose as much or more, and fail to take Taiwan.
So who's really helpless?

Kevmo: "***And none of which CURRENTLY can guarantee taking out ALL ASBMs aimed at a carrier."

Nothing is "guaranteed" in wartime.
But you understand, don't you, that whatever damages they inflicted, your Chi-Coms would suffer at least as much?

Kevmo: "***That is exactly the scenario I have been addressing, that you have been studiously and sociopathically avoiding.
You’re quite the @$$#0/e."

From the beginning you've fantasized endless nonsense, but now your words are more insults than anything else.
Time for you to give it up.

Kevmo: "***The chicoms would be launching missiles at a fleet of warships coming towards a civilian migration from internal provinces to another internal province of CHINA.
Not that you are ever going to address such issues, sociopath."

So, now, finally, you confess this fantasy "civilian flotilla" of yours is actually a Chi-Com state-sponsored form of terrorism against Taiwan, intended to use human shields to protect its military invasion force?
I'm saying the natural Taiwan response would be to destroy anything which seemed to be more military that civilian, and to the degree to which true civilians could be rescued & saved, within the limits of military necessity, that would also be done.

But you doubtless know about the "fog of war" and how it would prevent any guarantees.

275 posted on 07/31/2021 4:09:15 PM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: BroJoeK

URA sociopath


276 posted on 07/31/2021 4:11:11 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***NO, you DO NOT fracking get it.
You are NOT addressing the issue.
That is what you do.
You are a sociopath."

I addressed the issue you actually raised.
What other issue did you think you'd raised, sociopath?

277 posted on 07/31/2021 4:12:09 PM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: BroJoeK

Sociopath stll be yappin, yappin, yappin’ away


278 posted on 07/31/2021 4:17:28 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***NO, @$$#0/e.
I’ll post my long term strategic plan if you wanna discuss it in civil fashion, but you are using the standard tactic of straw argumentation because you are simply a fracking sociopath who would rather have invective than address issues."

Sorry, FRiend, but you are only trying to pass-off your disgusting wet-dream fantasies as if they are serious arguments, but they're not serious, and all the insults in the world against me can't convert your wet-dreams into serious arguments.

To have a serious discussion, you must first get serious, which means: drop all the insults, all the nonsense, and then let's look at what left.

Kevmo: "***STFU, sociopath.
I am advocating that Taiwan declare independence so that we can fight for true independence for a true ally, and get rid of those ethnic chinese who are fifth columnists.
Naturally, you want to uphold those 5th columnists because our previous policy was to kowtow to them."

I have no interest -- none -- in your alleged "Declaration of Independence", if you wish to declare independence, then do it, I don't care in the least, it makes no difference to me.
I'm saying the US has always promised to support Taiwan against a Chi-Com invasion, and we should do that, regardless of how "Independent" you declare yourself to be, or not be, it's irrelevant to me.

As for the Kuomintang, ethnic Chinese, they will be the first ones to suffer genocide at Chi-Com hands, so I'd be near certain they'll support Taiwan's self defense.
And already your own CPP party has reduced their KMT to a minority, which means you rule over them now.
I strongly suggest you continue to treat them with respect & dignity.
You will need them to help defeat the Chi-Com invasion.

As for kowtowing, the US has never kowtowed to Taiwan, any more than we kowtow to Japan, Korea or even mainland China.
We believe in mutual respect, dignity & alliances of peers, or near-peers.
We hope to present a united front to the world and hope, as much as possible, to keep our disagreements behind closed doors.
You understand all that, don't you?

Kevmo: "***NO. Wrong. A$$#0/e.
Learn how to address real issues.
Stop arguing strawman bullshiite.
Take a critical thinking class and quit being such a sociopath."

After all these posts I'm pretty sure that's your standard response when you know I'm right and have nothing to say in response.

From the beginning of this thread I've been trying to clue-out just who it is you represent -- is the the Chi-Coms, since that seemed to account for your opposition to traditional American support for Taiwan?
Now, lately, here & there you've hinted it's not really the Chi-Coms you're defending, and not even Taiwan as a whole, but only a small part of Taiwan, the ethnic Taiwanese -- am I right?

So, let's see if I have this right -- you're willing to see a Chi-Com invasion of Taiwan in hopes it might rid you of the Kuomintang ethnic Chinese, even if via Chi-Com genocide.
Once the Kuomintang is gone, then you want to declare independence and invite Americans to lose five aircraft carriers (at $500 billion each), 250,000 men and who knows what else?
But your huge fear, your obsession -- indeed you're possessed by this idea -- is that the Chi-Coms will not just rid you of your Kuomintang Chinese, but they will also import to Taiwan millions or tens of millions of other Chinese to take their place, am I right?
So you won't really be independent at all, but rather under the boot of the Chi-Coms and vastly more worse off than you'd ever imagined from the Kuomintang, is that right?

Well... if I'm even halfway close to reality here, then I can tell you my advice straight up, easy: you guys just must, must learn to love each other, there's no other way.
Your CPP is the majority now in Taiwan, you're in power now, use your power wisely, kindly, make alliances, make friends -- remember, if/when the Chi-Com invasion comes, you will need all the friends & allies you can get.

If Taiwanese don't at least love each other, you'll have a hard time finding anyone else to love you.

Kevmo: "***Here you go again, bringing up more red herring issues.
Yet another classic fallacy.
Take that critical thinking class."

Naw, it's an important point in this discussion, I'm sorry if it went right over your head.

Kevmo: "***You don’t address the issues I bring up, you just throw down ridiculous insults so STFU, sociopath."

But you haven't brought up any real issues, only babbled nonsense and insults.
You need to stop with all that.
Seriously, what is your real problem?

Kevmo: "***I am very honest when I assess that you have the character of a sociopath."

First, that's not an honest assessment, it's just you throwing out insults, and "sociopath" sounds like a good insult to you, so you use it.

But much more important, it has nothing whatever to do with the subject of this thread, which is the dangerous possible future of Taiwan, Asia and the world generally.
While you're wasting your time insulting me, you ignore why we're here to begin with, FRiend.

Kevmo: "***Go ahead and give us the population breakdown YOURSELF, jerkoff, instead of labelling it hypothetical speculation. "

I have already now several times on this thread, so you should know I don't agree that the loyalty of most ethnic Chinese and even most of your alleged "soy-boys" is as suspect as you claim.
I think they'd stand shoulder to shoulder against a Chi-Com invasion, with only a small number of serious traitors -- provided, provided, provided Taiwan's leadership is united, coordinated and steadfast together.
If your leadership is split, so will be your citizens.
You have to love each other.

Kevmo: "***I have not yet read the rest of your post but I can make a prediction right here: YOU WILL NOT POST The ‘REAL’ numbers.
That is the standard sociopath way to argue.
Someone posts conceptual or budgetary numbers and then @$$#0/es like you pretend that you can’t even address the ISSUES surrounding them without the “REAL” numbers and then you don’t even lift a finger to get the real numbers yourself.
That’s a sign of a sociopath.
You. Sociopath."

I do know what the real numbers are because I've taken the time to look them up.
They're readily available and you could easily look them up yourself, but you won't, you didn't because you don't really car what those numbers are, right?
And that tells me you don't really care about the facts or the truth of anything, do you?
And that's because you are in fact what you accuse me of: a sociopath.

Kevmo: "**I really don’t care much what you think because you have shown yourself to be a first class a$$#0/e on this thread.
All along this thread you conflate Taiwanese with ‘people who live in Taiwan’ even though there is a considerable faction of ethnic chinese [whom you would be dear friends with and uphold their position] who DON’T want Taiwan to be a sovereign nation, who WANT to be Chinese, who see themselves as superior so they should be in charge of China and Taiwan."

I'm starting to "get" that you represent the interests, as you see them, of ethnic native Taiwanese, as opposed to the Kuomintang Chinese who you resent, or the "soy-boys" whom you disparage as your social inferiors, right?

I'm saying I don't care the least about any of that, but if you really want Americans to help you against the Chi-Coms (do you?) then you first need to learn to love each other.
It's important.

Kevmo: "***AGAIN you don’t address the issues at hand.
Like a sociopath."

I've addressed all the issues that matter.
By contrast, you've babbled a lot of insults & nonsense.
Like a sociopath.

Kevmo: "***I have far more clues than you.
It’s because you don’t know how to address issues and facts on the ground, your primary interest is invective.
You are a sociopath."

Spoken like a true sociopath.
You look in your mirror and call me whatever you see there.

That's too bad, Taiwan and your fellow Taiwanese deserve better than you give here.
You are a poor representative of your country, FRiend.

279 posted on 07/31/2021 5:42:30 PM PDT by BroJoeK
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...nothing the US does will matter...
***that makes you quite rhe defeatist commie sympathizer, on top of being a sociopath.


280 posted on 07/31/2021 6:37:16 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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