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To: ChicagoConservative27

Umm try the treatment doc. You know, hydrochl____ or Iverme___ and some tyleno, maybe some vitamins?
Is she daft?


5 posted on 07/21/2021 12:48:49 PM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Karliner

No, she’s not nuts.

She’s just following orders.


12 posted on 07/21/2021 12:49:55 PM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: Karliner

HCQ and Ivermectin are terrible choices at late stage. At early stage they are at best weakly effective. If they are in phase III disease there is little that can be done except support. There is some literature to suggest that Tocilizumab may be effective at late stage disease as an immunosuppressive therapy and I have seen this work from time to time. But this is not an outrageous story — a lot of us has seen this.

In a larger context, it is true we are seeing far more middle aged (younger) population. At three major hospital systems in my large city in the southeast we had a consortium meeting today. There are currently over 800 people hospitalized, and there have been 18 deaths month to date. There were four deaths last month. 800 is about 90% of the maximum hospitalized at the peak of the major wave last year.

What is STRIKING is that 97% of hospitalized patients are not vaccinated. The 3% breakthrough cases in the hospital have an average length of stay of 2 days and NONE — ZIP — ZERO — NADA of the vaccinated have gone to the ICU or died in this surge that is about 3 weeks old.

We are seeing in real time what was forecast all along. Vaccines prevent disease, and if there is breakthrough (as the vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna in PHASE 1 - 2 - 3 trials were 95% effective) it prevents the disease from progressing to critical illness and death.

The data of more than anecdotal — it is compelling. Incidentally, 82% of the cases are delta. What I think this means is that delta is ripping through at the moment, and will contribute quickly to herd immunity. 50% of our region its vaccinated which is sort of a weak number. Between the vaccinated immune, and natural herd immunity which is rapidly being added to at this time, I think that this third wave will finish off herd immunity and we should be about done with this.

Using some statistical analysis, this exactly tracks with what is being seen in Israel — minimal deaths, mild numbers of breakthrough with no critical illness, and increasing numbers in the non-vaccinated, but a well blunted surge wave.

I will renew my call that if you get sick, please do not horse around with Ivermectin or HCQ, very few of people will proscribe this. You have 10 days to get to monoclonal antibody infusion — get REGENERON ASAP. It stopes the disease in its tracks. This is the only truly safe and effective treatment.


99 posted on 07/21/2021 2:16:44 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Karliner

She wants them dead. She is a progressive marxist through and through and believes the ONLY people not being vaccinated are white supremacist Trump supporters. I haven’t even looked but I bet this monster is a “person of color.”


173 posted on 07/21/2021 9:16:58 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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