NOTE: This is about this specific issue. All the other things CyberNinjas are doing is rock solid, IMO. This explanation is as much a severe criticism of the Maricopa County Election board for their deliberate stonewalling and recalictrance as it is of the error CyberNinjas may have made by bringing it up as they did which caused many of us (including myself) to misinterpret it.
We have to be careful about this "74,000 more ballots were returned than were mailed out" assertion from Arizona. CyberNinjas doing the forensic audit did not actually assert illegality, but merely said in their Arizona Senate Hearing that they see a discrepancy between a set of forms involved with mail-in ballots. (These forms are called the CV32 and CV33...when CyberNinjas asked for clarification and were deliberately ignored, they assumed that the CV32 was the request for the county to send a mail-in ballot, and the CV33 was the recording of a ballot returned to be counted. In fact, they are not generated or used in that fashion, hence the disparity. The CV32 appears have to do with ballots requested more than 10 days before the election, and the CV33 is for requests from 10 days to election day.)
CyberNinja CEO Doug Lauren said in the hearing:
"...We have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent,” Logan said at a meeting livestreamed at Arizona’s Capitol on Thursday. “That could be something where documentation wasn’t done right. There’s a clerical issue. There’s not proper things there, but I think when we’ve got 74,000, it merits knocking on a door and validating some of this information..."
CyberNinjas apparently did not understand the two forms in question, and asked the Maricopa County Elections Board how they were used, and were told to go pound sand. No explanation. So when CyberNinjas publicly asked for an explanation from the County of how exactly the forms were used (asked during the hearing) it was misinterpreted by many on our side (including me) that they were making an assertion, when they weren't, and it spread across many conservative sites including Free Republic, the War Room, and many others.
Here is the response on this "fact check" from CyberNinjas spokesman:
"...Rod Thomson, a public relations consultant working for Cyber Ninjas, said Maricopa County refused to answer questions posed by the audit team in private, forcing Logan to ask for explanations in public.
"Mr. Logan never said this was fraud or criminal, he merely stated the facts as they were provided to him and did not have an explanation,” Thomson said. “None of this would be necessary if the county would simply communicate with the audit team when there are questions..."
So, CyberNinjas did not contest it but provided context, and I can deal with that. (I watched the entire Arizona Senate hearing over the weekend, so I can vouch that he was not saying this was a fact, he was saying it is a question that needs answering, and hoped it would be forthcoming)
AP did a "fact check" article debunking the claim (again, CyberNinjas did not make the claim, they were making a public request in the hearing for an explanation) and Leftists on the board and allied with them were quick to make hay out of it, finally providing an explanation of this.
It very nearly sounds like a setup by the Maricopa Election Board, but the appearance of making the assertion as it does when appearing in dozens of conservative websites after the fact is an "unforced error" on our part, so we bear responsibility for taking it out of context, and they are definitely crowing over this proof of "misinformation".
For my part, I certainly bear responsibility as well, but...as I said to someone else on this, if I don't view AP fact check articles because they lie nearly every time I hear of one of their "fact checks", I can live with a one-off error like this one.
There are plenty of things to go after, that 74,000 disparity won't be one of them, though.
We "deplorables" are the majority in this country. We need to start acting like the majority. Our deplorable president won by a landslide. Let's start acting like it.
I know this is difficult because there are so few people who do, but if you run into someone that consumes CNN or other lamestream media, then get in their faces and ridicule the hell of out them. I don't care if it is your wife, child or parents. They need to feel like they are in the minority and there is only one way for them to make their lives and relationship right with you. That is to take the time to learn what is really going on. By the way, that doesn't occur by watching Fox News. They were are every bit as bad as CNN. They are collaborators in the big steal. They called AZ on Nov. 3rd when they had no business in doing so.
“Fact Check” is a label is used at the start of any article as a warning to the reader to put on their extra high wading boots.
Typical CNN BULL$HIT NEWS!
“The review is being conducted by Cyber Ninjas, a cybersecurity firm that has no experience in election auditing.”
This from the same news service who supported a congressional investigation of a sitting president based on a phony dossier that was completely fabricated, and with no other corroborating evidence.
I would not believe a single fact checker from CNN. They are lies all the time, 24x7.
They keep saying it’s because the lists were checked against the lists that are sent to the parties, and by law those lists are required to match the official list.
So, when he said that many had no serial number or had duplicate serial numbers, and that they compared against all three lists, the press is...... Oh, no. LYING.
“Stop posting these articles.”
SMH... I guess these people want two things, to be completely uninformed about what the enemy is doing and to prevent discussion about how to defeat them.
Sort of related, I have a retort for libtards who scoff at Fox or OAN or NewsMax, saying that people shouldn’t watch them. It goes...
“Yeah, limiting your news sources to only those that represent YOUR point of view makes you SO much better informed. Yeah. That’s the ticket.”
Fact check is without facts on this issue.