Mike Pence Defends January 6 Role: It Is ‘Un-American’ to Think ‘Any One Person Could Choose the American President

Breitbart ^ | 06/25/2021 | Hannah Bleau

[DoodleDawg]

But the electoral votes were disputed in those states, and the dissent would have been give legal standing if Pence had sent the vote back.

Disputed, but not by the only body that had the power to do anything. The legislature in each state set the manner by which electors are chosen. Each state did that and sent their results to Congress to be tallied. Pence had no authority to second guess them and refuse their certificates. Only the state legislatures could do that and none of them did.

[aspasia]

Second guess?

How about a fight?

[odawg]

I think you should immediately go find Trump and countless others who know something about Constitutional law and straighten them all out. Set everyone’s mind at ease.

[DoodleDawg]

I think you should immediately go find Trump and countless others who know something about Constitutional law and straighten them all out.

I'm sure that all those who also know something about Constitutional law and who agree with Pence that he didn't have the authority can do that better than I can.

[StAnDeliver]

Who was properly responsible for the clarion call to investigate the 2020 election fraud? President Donald J. Trump:

• The authority, and the responsibility for rejecting elector slates, and demanding state legislatures send new elector slates consistent with investigations into electoral fraud, resided solely with President Trump.

• There is no Constitutional mechanism to permit the Vice-President to make such a claim. That power -- if it indeed exists -- lies solely with the Office of the President. Any such attempt by the VP would be duly and properly ignored.

• As President Lincoln once promised, leaning into Congressman James Alley, "I am the President of the United States, clothed with immense power, and I expect you to procure those votes." What Lincoln didn't say, was: "Vice-President Johnson is clothed with immense power, and I expect him to procure those votes."

• Remember, that in April 2020, President Trump threatened to dismiss Congress over blocking him from recess appointments. President Trump believed he had that power -- the exact same power he would have used to remand the presented elector's slates back to each state's legislature -- and Trump believed that power was invested in him alone. President Trump didn't call VP Pence and say, "Hey Mike, you tell them you're shutting down Congress because I can't get my recess appointments."

[StAnDeliver]

• Where were the alternate slates of Electors with the imprimatur of both that state's legislature and signed off by that state's Governor?

• Even if Pence had had that, the House and the Senate must both vote in the majority to throw out the original Electors of any challenged state's slate.

• The fact that 1 Congressman and 1 Senator, can object to every electoral slate (50 states + DC) is Constitutionally not enough to actually disqualify that state's slate. The Vice President must have both the House & Senate majority votes. There is nothing in 3 USC that allows the incumbent VP to act extra-constitutionally.

• Freeper rage, while risible, fails (as usual) to empower the complete absence of any enabling Constitutional language that would have permitted Pence to act in the unconstitutional manner, of Yet Another Freeper Wish Sandwich.

• What these Freeper perpetual glass-chewers really wanted Pence to do was perform errant libtard constructionalism a la RBG/WisePuta/Elanaesbian, in treating the Constitution like a "Living Document" DOORMAT.

• As if this needs to be added, and yet it does, so far have we fallen: "Free Republic advocates a return to constitutionally limited government, reserving all government powers not expressly delegated by the constitution to the United States to the States respectively, or the people, emphasizing sovereign state governments, local government, self-government and self-rule, while restricting government powers to only those enumerated in the Constitution."

• Had the Freeptard pubrik skrewl cadre and their unconsitutional concoction been realized just 4 years earlier in 2016, the Democrats' objections to every single state electoral slate would have successfully pre-empted President Trump's legitimate victory.

• The Democrats planned to the minute a challenge of every single slate of electors in 2016, and they started with longtime Leftard Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) who objected right out of the gate to Alabama's slate of electors, citing direct Russian election interference via hacking the election software of VR Systems (that scenario sound familiar?).

• McGovern's challenge was immediately followed by Raskin, then Jayapal, then Sheboon Lee, then Grijalva.

  "Mr. McGovern has objected to the Alabama slate due to the "confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia". Mr. Raskin has objected to Florida’s slate, due to that state's prohibition against dual office holders. Ms. Jayapal has objected to the Georgia slate's electoral certification. Ms. Lee has objected to the Michigan slate again due to Russian interference. Mr. Grijalva has objected to the North Carolina slate due to violations of the Voting Rights Act. I find all of these objections in due order and I hereby as Vice-President suspend each of these state's slates until further investigation by the DOJ and the FBI, and I further order each state involved to prepare and send an alternate slate of electors. Trump's Inauguration can wait forever, as far as I'm concerned. We are adjourned." - Vice-President Joseph Biden, January 6, 2017

• After then-VP Biden -- in identical fashion to what Freepers wanted from VP Pence -- had ruled every challenged 2016 electoral slate "out of order", Hillary would have been installed shortly after SCOTUS surrendered under the weight of 51 challenge cases, only requiring them to respond positively to VP Biden's challenges to the 3 critical, close swing-state cases [PA, MI, WI] that would have immediately floated to the top of the unconstitutionally slate-challenged bowl.

[KC Burke]

Good summary — compelling.

[StAnDeliver]

Pence got $2M worth of house that would cost the original poster of this (and the spammer of every other boring Pence thread) $6M in his lovely Chiraq just 180 miles away.

How is that objectionable to you?

Pence was a millionaire before 2016, radio contract put him over the top. As VP he made $235,100, plus $10,000 taxable expense allowance, free lodging at the Naval Observatory, free Air Force 2 and helos, and a staff of 80+.

And -- here's the kick in the ass -- YOU VOTED FOR HIM TWICE LOFL...

[StAnDeliver]

"Good summary — compelling."

Thanks.

[lodi90]

Had the Freeptard pubrik skrewl cadre

What these Freeper perpetual glass-chewers

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LOL. What is this nonsense here? GFY.

[StAnDeliver]

“crunchcrunchcrunchcrunchcrunchcrunch“

Lol

[Freedom56v2]

Not sure what your point about his house is...

I live in “Chiraq” area, and I am very familiar with prices in the “Chiraq” collar counties as well as Carmel as I went there often for kids’ swim meets.

Pence has purchased one of the most expensive homes in the region. He is living large. He is Swamp, not MAGA. He can have 14 bathrooms if he wants—I will NEVER vote for him.

I suspect he was one of the early White House leakers.

I believe Pence brought down the great patriot Mike Flynn. Why???

Frankly, Pence’s establishment connections should have been a signal TO NOT PICK HIM AS VP. But like Reagan picking Bush 1, Pence probably was necessary to bring evangelicals on board who just could not believe Trump was pro-life, supported Israel, etc. I mean the guy wears his faith on his coat sleeves...in neon colors.

LOFL?? - kind of twisted?

I voted for TRUMP. I knew he was going to run before he announced. I supported him here when very few did.

Had I the choice, I would not have cast ballot for Pence, a man with a questionable background.

But as a rather obvious Pence fan, you may get the opportunity to cast a vote for him in 2024.

Good for you.

[lodi90]

You are correct. Pence can be evaluated on his entire term as VP. No need to get in the weeds with those who love to troll on the electoral college issue. Legal opinions differ here and no amount of internet banter will change that.

Pence has an indefensible record as VP. Torpedoing Gen. Flynn, pushing McMaster and other awful picks, the public role of his staff in the impeachment hoax, his Chief of staff banned from the WH (why?), being AWOL while the steal was confirmed, widely reported leaks, etc., etc.

Pence was dishonorable and disloyal for his entire four years as VP. He violated the oath of office he took and history will damn him for that. That is following in the recent footsteps of Paul RYNO to bash Trump/MAGA at the Reagan library should be no surprise. He deserves no support from GOP voters and has earned in spades every bit of derision he has gotten.

[Freedom56v2]

, pushing McMaster and other awful picks, the public role of his staff in the impeachment hoax, his Chief of staff banned from the WH (why?), being AWOL while the steal was confirmed, widely reported leaks, etc., etc.

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Thanks!

I had forgotten about McMaster—wasn’t he the guy who pushed for homosexuality in Boy Scouts?

[Georgia Girl 2]

Yer done Mike go home! 🙄

[LastDayz]

“Send him down a gauntlet of patriots armed with their choice of implement. Let them show what they think about traitors.”

I choose a cane.

[McGruff]

Hey Mike.

[StAnDeliver]

"Had I the choice, I would not have cast ballot for Pence."

You could have simply wrote Trump's name in the write-in in some states, and in some states it would have counted. But then, that would require research and hard stuff. Better just to vote Trump-Pence -- twice! -- and then autoflame here about your own vote lofl.

"But as a rather obvious Pence fan, you may get the opportunity to cast a vote for him in 2024."

"a Pence fan".

Really?

"I don’t think [Pence] is running. In fact, I’m sure he knows better than anyone else that he doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning a presidential election."

Exactly. Pimping his upcoming memoirs and eating rubber chicken.

61 posted on 5/9/2021, 3:07:15 PM by StAnDeliver (Eric Coomer of Dominion Voting Systems Is The Blue Dress)

"a Pence fan".

Really?

"Pence was picked because:"

The same reason every President this Century has been picked and most of the last Century was chosen: "The alternative would be worse..."

• Cheney: Would have attacked Iran on the ground after Baghdad was secured
• Biden: We're living the "Alternative would be worse" Nightmare
• Pence: Radio talk-show host
• Karamela: About to live 2 "Alternative would be worse" Nightmares in succession

102 posted on 3/30/2021, 12:28:23 PM by StAnDeliver (Eric Coomer of Dominion Voting Systems Is The Blue Dress)

"a Pence fan".

Really?

"Mike Pence’s political career is over. That at least is the opinion of the Republican-controlled Indiana Senate, which unanimously adopted a resolution Tuesday congratulating the former vice president and Indiana governor on his “retirement.” Senate Resolution 33 declares the Senate honors Pence “upon his retirement" and "thanks him for his many years of service to the state of Indiana and the United States of America.”

The correct read is that they are signaling 'don't bother with a home-state run for any home-state office'.

18 posted on 3/31/2021, 10:39:23 AM by StAnDeliver (Eric Coomer of Dominion Voting Systems Is The Blue Dress)

It has nothing to do with Pence. I don't tolerate people who propogate dumb, unconstitutional posts here, or people like you who can't see the forest OR the trees, who fall right along into every single post these trolls make.

This site's mission statement, its raison d'être, is to return to the United States to constitutionally limited government, and restrict government powers to only those enumerated in the Constitution. Period. Paragraph.

But you continue to enjoy your blissful unawareness that there are trolls running amok on FreeRepublic who are specifically posting nothingburger timewasters like this story, strictly to stir GOssiP and aid the legacy MSM in distracting US from this puppet-state installation. Have a fine day.

[Freedom56v2]

~~I don’t tolerate people who propogate** dumb* for unconstitutional posts here, or people like you who can’t see the forest OR the trees, who fall right along into every single post these trolls make.
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If you are going to make condescending blanket insults, I suggest that you use proper grammar.* You should be using “stupid,” to describe someone or something unless you mean to describe people who are mute. **And you might use Spell Check.

For someone who does not tolerate...you spent a lot of time refuting everything I said...

People like me...? You replied to my posts to someone else...Seems like you are the one doing the “fall right along into every single post these trolls make.”

There are lawyers and scholars who specialize in Constitutional law who believe that Pence could have and should have sent the slates back to states that had concerns over emerging cases of fraud. Since he did not do this:

1. We are looking more like Venezuela every day! Yeah, Pence really did a great thing to advance the cause of conservatism.../sarc

2. We are becoming more Balkanized than we ever have been (my opinion).

3. We are likely going to be facing a Constitutional Crisis as it is becoming apparent that multiple levels of fraud were perpetrated in certain states to such an extent that the rightful winner was likely denied his second term.

Did you mention anything about your credentials regarding Constitutional scholarship?

Trolls? The troll here is not me.
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~~You could have simply wrote Trump’s name in the write-in in some states, and in some states it would have counted. But then, that would require research and hard stuff. Better just to vote Trump-Pence — twice! — and then autoflame here about your own vote lofl.

*Stupid idea - or maybe I should say “dumb?” I do research when I feel it is warranted ~ not because some rude internet troll is attempting to provoke me.

I am fairly certain that unless President Trump had registered as a VP candidate (and why would he?), my ballot would have been thrown out had I pulled your stunt...Why would I want to waste my vote on something totally symbolic? Regardless of what I did, Pence was going to be the VP if Trump won...And many thot Pence was just dandy...My write-in vote would have had no impact...lofl NOT

Again, I won’t vote for him. From what I have read, I doubt Trump will put him on a future ticket. Though you certainly think you know his plans, there are some strategists who believe he is positioning for a go of it. Time will tell—unless you have had contact with him, you don’t know either.
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~~The same reason every President this Century has been picked and most of the last Century was chosen: “The alternative would be worse...”
Cheney: Would have attacked Iran on the ground after Baghdad was secured
Biden: We’re living the “Alternative would be worse” Nightmare
Pence: Radio talk-show host
Karamela: About to live 2 “Alternative would be worse” Nightmares in succession

~~This paragraph (above) has nothing to do with Trump’s VP selection in either election...I believe there were better alternatives for VP than Pence:

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~~This site’s mission statement, its raison d’être, is to return to the United States to constitutionally limited government, and restrict government powers to only those enumerated in the Constitution. Period. Paragraph.

How grand of you to speak for FR regarding their mission statement...I could not find a mission statement.

This is what is actually written on the FR home page:

Free Republic is a site dedicated to the concerns of traditional grassroots conservative activists. We’re here to DISCUSS and ADVANCE our conservative causes in a more or less liberal-free environment.

Established in 1996, Free Republic is one of the earliest and largest online gathering places for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We’re working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!
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~~But you continue to enjoy your blissful unawareness that there are trolls running amok on FreeRepublic who are specifically posting nothingburger timewasters like this story, strictly to stir GOssiP and aid the legacy MSM in distracting US from this puppet-state installation. Have a fine day.

Nice...Ever think about simply passing on threads you think are timewasters? nothingburgers, etc. Or how about passing on posts that were not even addressed to you—about which you know nothing? It is FREE Republic, people can post what they want as long as they don’t violate posting guidelines...and you can read what you want.

Guess we both can agree regarding tolerance...I “don’t tolerate people who propagate” smarmy and condescending replies, so I am done.

You have yourself a fine day, and in my “blissful unawareness” I will have a fine day as well since I am done with this timewaste.