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To: Red Badger
if ANYONE will actually bother to read the brief -they state in black and white with great detail what exactly he lied about and it is "demonstrable" - IOW - he lied. Period.

"The factual “proof” he claimed supported his conclusion was that although Pennsylvania sent out only 1,823,148 absentee ballots before the election, 2,589,242 million absentee ballots were then counted in the election. This factual statement regarding the number of ballots mailed out before the election was simply untrue. The true facts are that 3.08 million absentee ballots were mailed out before the general election."

The brief continues to lay out the facts that Rudy lied - knowingly.

He lied to the court - and it is all there in black and white if people will read it.

But in true FR tradition - you won't.

Rudy tried to play TWO games - one with all of you - CLAIMING FRAUD - and another with the court (READ THE TRANSCIPTS) - saying there was NO FRAUD. Yet - you all think he is some hero for this.

READ IT - it is ALL THERE. And if you think THIS makes him a hero - you are very very sad.

http://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad1/calendar/List_Word/2021/06_Jun/24/PDF/Matter%20of%20Giuliani%20(2021-00506)%20PC.pdf

56 posted on 06/24/2021 9:44:59 AM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog show. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: NELSON111

“”The factual “proof” he claimed supported his conclusion was that although Pennsylvania sent out only 1,823,148 absentee ballots before the election, 2,589,242 million absentee ballots were then counted in the election. This factual statement regarding the number of ballots mailed out before the election was simply untrue. The true facts are that 3.08 million absentee ballots were mailed out before the general election.”

Facts according to who?

I have a sneaking suspicion that the absentee totals were changed by the SOS after Giuliani began making his claims.

But I guess we’ll just have to take the election officials word for it.


68 posted on 06/24/2021 10:09:27 AM PDT by saleman
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To: NELSON111

Just curious ... do you think the 2020 election was a farce, or do you think it was on the up and up?

I’m not asking to attack you ... I’m simply curious. I don’t care what you think either way ... you’re entitled to your opinion.

To me, this entire “legal document” reads as if it was written by a political operative with one mission ... destroy Guiliani. Sure it has facts, but the left LOVES to state facts while omitting facts that may make one question their claim.

Regarding the requested vs returned ballots, yes, his numbers do not correspond with actual totals ... now. At the time he made the statement, there may have very well been an incorrect number posted on the website. The author of the document you linked makes hint at this, but dismisses it outright due to Guiliani not pointing out who made the claim, lack of screenshots of the total, and a couple of other nonsense things that read more like a Snopes “fact check” (basically speculation written as fact).

As for the claims that he was talking out of both sides of his mouth ... those excerpts need to be longer to evaluate the entire context of the conversation. I could take 4 sentences worth of discussion between you and someone about anything and spin it all sorts of ways if I wanted.

The left has attempted to destroy so many people with 30 second video clips presented by breathless, fake media talking heads and other human garbage. Those clips are basically worthless w/o seeing the entire context in which the statements were made (many on the right do this too ... its ridiculous).

Why aren’t they linking to entire discussions? All of that stuff they transcribed was recorded. Why just post a few sentences from a dialog that was a LOT longer than what was presented?

At any rate, I think this little stunt may give Giuliani a way to present evidence of fraud in court now ... at least I hope that’s the case. If they want to suspend his law license over this, they had better be certain that there wasn’t any fraud.


71 posted on 06/24/2021 10:23:37 AM PDT by edh
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To: NELSON111

It’s obvious that Rudy’s real crime is supporting President Trump. I’m surprised with your vast intellect you are not able to deduce that here. Rudy has been targeted numerous times by partisan Democrats. You might want to “READ” up on the last FIVE YEARS before attacking others for ignorance.


75 posted on 06/24/2021 10:40:33 AM PDT by lodi90
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