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ATF Proposed Rule to Make Pistols Registered Short Barreled Rifles
AmmoLand ^ | 9 June, 2021 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/11/2021 5:49:24 AM PDT by marktwain

On 7 June, 2021, the Attorney General signed a “proposed rule” about the regulation of arm braces for pistols. The ATF has put the “proposed rule” on its website.

The “proposed rule” can be seen as a trial balloon. It has no legal authority, as it has not been officially published in the Federal Register. Once officially published, the public can make comments for 90 days once the proposed rule has been published.

Significantly, the Attorney General, Merrick Garland, signed this trial balloon, and not the acting head of the ATF.

The proposed rule is 71 pages of details only a bureaucrat would love.

The document arbitrarily states short-barreled rifles and shotguns are “dangerous and unusual”. Of course, all weapons are dangerous, otherwise, they would not be weapons. But all weapons are not unusual.

Banning short-barreled rifles and shotguns was not the intent of the law in 1934. The intent was to regulate “gangster weapons”.

Pistols were seen as subject to abuse. Sawed-off shotguns were seen as used by gangsters. Sawed-off rifles were added, virtually as an afterthought. This is why the overall length of 26 inches was included.

It makes no sense to consider short-barreled rifles as “dangerous and unusual” but to have pistols as constitutionally protected.  The NRA lobbied congress to remove pistols from the law, which was done. Short barreled shotguns and rifles were left in as booby prizes for the Franklin Delano Roosevelt administration.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; nfa; pistol
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Short barreled rifles were not considered unusual or dangerous. The ATF wants to make pistols with arm braces into short barreled rifles, by fiat.
1 posted on 06/11/2021 5:49:24 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

sbr regs are retarded


2 posted on 06/11/2021 5:55:41 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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All it takes is for One State to Pass this exact same law,rule,regulation at the State Level and have it ONLY APPLY TO FEDERAL EMPLOYEE’s, then start Arresting and Prosecuting EVERY ATF, FBI and Federal Judge in the State, when they are facing 25 to Life for Gun Violations at the STATE LEVEL, the Rules will Change.


3 posted on 06/11/2021 5:59:13 AM PDT by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: marktwain
“The ATF wants to make pistols with arm braces into short barreled rifles, by fiat.”

In most cases they are. Which is why we should eliminate the laws against short barreled rifles. I spend a lot of time at the range and I’ve never seen anyone shoot these other than from the shoulder. That we have to go through these regulatory mental gymnastics just to exercise our 2nd amendment rights is a travesty.

4 posted on 06/11/2021 6:00:46 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: marktwain

Mass non compliance. As part of this community, I can state unequivocally that there will be very little compliance. What’s more, many of the states will have our back. Think of it like pot laws. States won’t enforce BS fed laws.

🖕🏻Fed gov. You are an albatross around the neck of the people and every day we recognize less and less of your ‘authority’


5 posted on 06/11/2021 6:04:15 AM PDT by Levy78
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To: marktwain

Show me the daylight between Merrick Garland and the Acting ATF head.


6 posted on 06/11/2021 6:39:21 AM PDT by sauropod (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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Why don't these American Leftists just shorten the wording in all these new Laws and Regulations to:

If you're not a Government Agent you're a Career Felon.

It would make things so simple and provide complete Government Transparency.

I guess they're just stubborn.

7 posted on 06/11/2021 6:53:13 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: eyeamok

Uh, federal law enforcement employees don’t bother with AR pistols. They use SBRs and automatic weapons paid for by your tax dollars.


8 posted on 06/11/2021 6:54:47 AM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: PROCON

Ping.


9 posted on 06/11/2021 6:57:05 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("Might we not live in a nobler dream than this?" -- John Ruskin)
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To: marktwain

Just like with bump stock and binary triggers, playing regulation games only leads to more regulation.

Not saying the regulations make since, but it has been almost 80 years, they are not going away.


10 posted on 06/11/2021 6:57:18 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: marktwain; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; AZ .44 MAG; umgud; ...

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11 posted on 06/11/2021 7:12:19 AM PDT by PROCON (Our rights do not come from government, therefore they cannot take them away.)
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To: redgolum
Just like with bump stock and binary triggers, playing regulation games only leads to more regulation.

Not saying the regulations make since, but it has been almost 80 years, they are not going away.

The same 80 years where the Left has controlled Media.

President Trump and the entire rising of Conservatives is part of the rising up against the administrative state.

12 posted on 06/11/2021 7:13:07 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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Trump pushed for the bump stock ban.

Love him or hate him, Trump was not a strong 2A advocate.


13 posted on 06/11/2021 7:19:37 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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Trump pushed for the bump stock ban.

Love him or hate him, Trump was not a strong 2A advocate.

He was not a strong 2A advocate.

He was simply the strongest 2A president we have had in the last 100 years.

Admittedly, that does not make him very strong, but the choice is relative.

He made the bump-stock ban a regulation instead of a law.

14 posted on 06/11/2021 8:37:16 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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To: marktwain

Thank God they didn’t mention handguns...
(pistol=revolver, semi-auto=handgun)


15 posted on 06/11/2021 10:44:12 AM PDT by Bikkuri (If you're conservative, you're an "extremist." If you're liberal, you're an "activist.")
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To: sauropod

Only difference is one is standing and one is bent over...


16 posted on 06/11/2021 11:05:28 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: marktwain

What’s the deal with the Auto Ordinance Thompson submachine gun replica? It is obviously semi-auto, and I assume they lengthened the barrel so it doesn’t fall under the short barrel rifle rule? But it seems to have a removable buttstock, as well, which I guess would just make it a long barreled pistol. Too many goofy rules for no good reason from what I can see.


17 posted on 06/11/2021 12:26:36 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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What’s the deal with the Auto Ordinance Thompson submachine gun replica?

What about them? The last I read, they were legal.

18 posted on 06/11/2021 1:57:27 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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To: Bikkuri

On handguns, manufacturers and U.S. military forces use terms different from those of Hollywood. Semi-automatic handguns are sometimes referred to as pistols (and sometimes automatic pistols in the past, see “ACP”), and revolvers are called revolvers.

I like the term, “pistola,” to refer to either (from some of the crazier westerns). ;D


19 posted on 06/11/2021 3:40:41 PM PDT by familyop
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To: marktwain

Apparently they are legal. I just don’t understand the rules about putting a stock or arm brace on a pistol. Doesn’t make much sense to me, either.


20 posted on 06/11/2021 4:07:02 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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