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California May Face Round Two Of Energy Shortages This Summer
Townhall.com ^ | May 29, 2021 | Charlotte Whelan

Posted on 05/29/2021 5:02:27 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

The state and postal service to order more electric autos that should help things along Oh and electric semis too.

/s


41 posted on 05/29/2021 10:25:27 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: Hootowl99

My team did a Real Time Pricing research project in the late 80s at the World Financial Center in NYC (across the street from the World Trade Center). Honeywell was our contractor for the system and the research. We communicated rates from ConEd to the system a day ahead (which was a real challenge before the ubiquitous Internet, optical, and wireless communications systems we have today). The building had a HUGE “cool storage” system underground where we could “charge” it with cold during the night and then use the chilled water in the daytime to reduce rates during the hot afternoons. The system also measured indoor air quality so we could reduce air circulation and fresh air makeup, but not go so far as to adversely effect indoor air quality. The savings in the building were huge. We did a similar project at the Marriott Marquis hotel in NYC (without the cold storage) with similar results. My boss was the guy who really innovated all the early “demand side management” concepts and R&D at the time.


42 posted on 05/29/2021 11:39:17 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“No man’s life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session" - Gideon J. Tucker)
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To: PGR88

I have had two brief outages so far in the last 2 weeks.
I am in the San Fernando Valley near Chatsworth and Woodland Hills, Calif.

One did not reset the digital clock but did shutdown the 2 pc’s and tv. The 2nd one was several minutes long. I work from home and use the computer to talk to the callers. I received an email from the cable company saying there was an outage and it could be a few hours to restore. Lucky they were wrong : )

Last year there were many outages around my area but I was not affected. I expect more unfortunately.


43 posted on 05/29/2021 12:54:10 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: Kaslin

I couldn’t care less about CA problems. I live in a town with a city owned utility; gas, electricity, fiber optic cable to each house for tv and high speed internet. We sell excess power out onto the grid which reduces everyones electtic bill. I have to shovel snow in the winter but I’ll take it.


44 posted on 05/29/2021 2:02:44 PM PDT by IAGeezer912 (One out of every 20 people on the face of the earth are Americans. We have won life's lottery.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Very interesting and thanks for sharing that…. I've never crossed paths with a commercial scale system such as your experience. In the 1980s especially, I was doing oddball R&D things that had me touching into some alternative energy things but nothing came of it usually because of economics.

I mentioned my home in VA that had the very successful Honeywell Transec system. Purely by coincidence, my boss at the time had a home that also had an experimental HVAC setup sponsored by the power company. That home used a similar heat sink as your commercial system except it used a rock filled vault that air was blown through. IIRC, it used 2 heat pumps with one dedicated to charging the heat sink with heated or cooled air during off peak rate periods. The house HVAC heat pump separately blew air through the heat sink instead of using outdoor air as is typical. This system yielded similar low energy costs as my fancy electronic system.

A home HVAC system that is very simple to install/operate and has a terrific return on investment that uses a twist to the conventional heat pump setup. What you do is to exchange the heat using liquid instead of ambient air. First a hundred or two of polypropylene is buried in the backyard. This is charged with water + antifreeze and operates on a closed recycle loop to a liquid to Freon heat exchanger at the heat pump. You delete the air to Freon heat exchanger. My cousin has been installing these systems for 40 years.

45 posted on 05/30/2021 12:27:56 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: hinckley buzzard
“675 megawatts” of battery power is a drop in the bucket.

Especially when no TIME is mentioned.

46 posted on 05/30/2021 1:07:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: gloryblaze
And - is the system ugly as sin? Sorry, but that does matter.

The UGLY part or the SIN part?

47 posted on 05/30/2021 1:08:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: frank ballenger

Isn’t FR in California?

Are WE running on solar?

With a small solar panel I can keep my phone charged jjust fine; but what about the phone TOWERS? the routers?? the ISP guys?

how redundant IS the web if lines begin to go down?


48 posted on 05/30/2021 1:13:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: frank ballenger

You should

have bought

a squirrel.


49 posted on 05/30/2021 1:14:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hootowl99

I have variable right here in central Indiana!


50 posted on 05/30/2021 1:15:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NormsRevenge

This could spark rage all over the place!

Watt’s seems to be the problem??

Power to the people!!!


51 posted on 05/30/2021 1:16:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NormsRevenge

What ARE cockles?

And just WHERE are they located in my blood-pumping organ??


52 posted on 05/30/2021 1:17:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: minnesota_bound

You do NOT need MORE money, but fewer expenses!


53 posted on 05/30/2021 1:19:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

FR is currently running on “Linode” servers in a data center in Dallas, TX. I suppose if John/Jim lose power in Central CA then John won’t be able to “remote manage” the server for awhile, but no biggie.


54 posted on 05/30/2021 1:36:25 AM PDT by Drago
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To: Drago

OOooh Texas.

Didn’t they just have some type of power problem?


55 posted on 05/30/2021 1:50:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yeah, too much wind & solar. (Copying CA).


56 posted on 05/30/2021 1:57:20 AM PDT by Drago
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To: Hootowl99
Thanks. Ground-coupled heat pumps make a lot of sense because the earth a few feet down is nearly at constant temperature the year-round and the improved heat transfer from ground to heat exchanger tubes rather than air to heat exchanger tubes. But they are very expensive to install with either grouted vertical boreholes (50 to 150 meters deep) or horizontal tubes.


57 posted on 05/30/2021 7:52:23 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“No man’s life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session" - Gideon J. Tucker)
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To: Kaslin

California just needs to pass a law against the sun setting.
It’s that simple.


58 posted on 05/30/2021 7:59:20 AM PDT by hadaclueonce ( This time I am Deplorable )
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To: Elsie

LOL.
You are so right.

Did you know they sell tee shirts AND MASKS at Teepublic.com? A mask!

You Should Have Bought A Squirrel T-Shirt
Designed and Sold by woodsman
From the film Rat Race, Sizes S-5XL.
Mask: Was $15 now $12. Adult of child.


59 posted on 05/30/2021 8:43:23 AM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: Elsie

Just have everybody light a single candle rather than curse the darkness. And vote GOP in CA.


60 posted on 05/30/2021 8:46:42 AM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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