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To: Lurkinanloomin
You could not be any more wrong!!!

John Sidney McCain III was born on August 29, 1936, at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, to naval officer John S. McCain Jr. and Roberta (Wright) McCain. He had an older sister Sandy and a younger brother Joe. At that time, the Panama Canal was under U.S. control.

67 posted on 05/28/2021 8:55:05 AM PDT by Kaslin (Joe BidTheen will never be my President, and neither will Kamala Harris)
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To: Kaslin

Prove it.

McCain refused to release his birth certificate.


68 posted on 05/28/2021 8:55:47 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Kaslin

Also, he was born on the ship where his father was the Admiral. He was not born on land.
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You just contradicted yourself.


69 posted on 05/28/2021 8:57:38 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Kaslin

I refer you to Clay Blair’s excellent study of the Korean War, “The Forgotten War”, page 146. I quote LTC Mike Michaelis, who had just been given command of the US Army’s 27th Wolfhound Regiment, and was ordered to immediately deploy from Japan to Korea in July of 1950. “We’d just had our first child-a daughter. The only thing I had time to do was rush to the American Consulate with my wife and get our daughter certified so that SHE WOULDN’T BE A JAPANESE CITIZEN. I put twenty-five dollars, a razor, and tooth brush in my pocket and took off.” His daughter was born in the US Army hospital on Honshu.
Japan had regained it’s sovereignty at that time, and it’s citizenship laws were in effect. Japanese citizenship law held that ANYONE born on Japanese soil was a Japanese citizen. However, the US and Japan had concluded Status of Forces Agreements concerning the children born to US military personnel on Japanese soil. US military bases were LEASED from the Japanese government to the US for use as bases. They were still considered to be Japanese soil. If they were US soil, then the child of a pregnant Japanese worker delivering on a US base would be a 14th amendment citizen, just as if she had delivered in the US Embassy, which is US soil. With the SOFA agreement in place at that time, the Japanese citizenship of their daughter was waived, and the child would be exclusively a US citizen, (not natural born, but by US immigration and naturalization statutes extant at the time,(in the manner of Ted Cruz) Without the SOFA requisite paperwork, Michaelis’s daughter would have been a Japanese citizen at her birth, by JAPANESE law.

A US military base is under “US control” when it is leased from a foreign government. That does NOT make it US soil, unless it is an embassy.

Both Michaelis AND his wife were natural born US citizens, serving their country overseas. Despite this, the location of their daughter’s birth makes her not even a 14th amendment citizen, but a statute citizen via the existing US Immigration and Naturalization laws.
I don’t like this reality, I don’t think that it is fair, but I did not write Article II. Children born overseas even to 2 NBC parents serving overseas are NOT NBC’s

I recall another instance of a shot down Tuskegee Fighter pilot (I think it was from Lt. Col. Alexander Jefferson’s account “Red Tail Captured, Red Tail Free,” but I am not sure) who was interrogated by a German Oberleutnant speaking perfectly accented US English in the Stalag where he was being held.

The airman asked the German officer why he spoke such good English. He explained that he had been brought to the US by his parents when he was 10 years old. He was interned as an enemy alien by the 3rd Reich while visiting Germany by Adolph Hitler’s Declaration of war on the US on Dec 11 1941.

After a brief internment, he said that he had been drafted into the German Army under the German citizenship laws at the time as a VOLKSDEUTSCHE citizen. He fought on the Eastern Front, was wounded and transferred to the Western Front and fought against the Allies in Italy, including US troops. Wounded again, he was sent to the Stalag as an interrogator.

After the war, a charge of treason was considered against him. But the charges were dropped when it was determined that the Germans did have the right to conscript him as a natural born German citizen, under THEIR laws, and that he was a lawful enemy combatant.

Yes, circumstances can certainly dictate when you are subject to a foreign power.

Accordingly, the framers wanted to minimize (not guarantee) the likelihood of undue foreign influence upon the office of POTUS, particularly from a father owing an allegiance to a foreign sovereignty.

I am not claiming that my argument is definitive, but I truly would like to see it adjudicated rather than being ignored, or ridiculed.

There is apparently an image of the original long-form “vault copy” birth certificate of U.S. Senator John McCain, obtained from the Michael E. Moritz College of Law, Ohio State University. The birth certificate was issued by the Panama Canal Health Department, and states that the attending physician was R.F. Annis; the birth occurred at 6:25 PM on August 29, 1936 in Colon Hospital, City of Colon, Republic of Panama. This Certificate of Birth was introduced in a 2008 court case: Fred Hollander vs. McCain and RNC, New Hampshire District Court.


83 posted on 05/28/2021 11:51:09 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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