Posted on 05/19/2021 10:50:16 AM PDT by absalom01
you just tapdanced around that like a politician...
let’s try this again...
what are your concerns about our government opening the border and exposing us to infectious diseases during a “global pandemic”?...
I was reluctant to post this, because these threads always seem to go sideways, but it’s such a potentially important topic that I went ahead anyway.
First, thank you for always maintaining an adherence to reason in the face of much provocation.
Second, you have previously stated your opinion that ivermectin is a weak, ineffective therapy at best, so let’s stipulate that is the case by the time a patient gets ill enough to have to see you.
BUT, what is one to make of the findings that Pierre Kory, Tess Lawrie and Andrew Hill? They seem like solid academics and or clinicians, and their advocacy appears to be based on sufficiently good evidence that the risk/reward calculation speaks in favor of the early use of these therapeutics. At least until vaccines are widely available world wide.
What am I missing? That’s not snark, but an honest question.
I hardly tapped danced, I answered directly, please examine your inability to accept someones answer on its face and insist on some agreement with your premise.
I honestly dont think you are missing anything, and I will stipulate that I have an incomplete data set as you indicated because of my practice, I see late stage patients who are critically ill. I have had some teetering on the edge of late phase illness, and used ivermectin before I had anything else. It turned one around, but failed to turn several others around.
I think sincerely that ivermectin is overshadowing monoclonal antibodies as a treatment. I think the focus on ivermectin is to the detriment of all other possible treatments. So, in the spirit of candor, I will agree that I have a late phase jaded perspective and this may be coloring my judgment from a personal level.
I think there is probably a prophylaxis component to ivermectin. I do not think it rises to the level of treatment that would vacate EUA of vaccine (safe and efficacious) and I think that there would be a role until such a time as there are directed therapies and wide spread vaccination.
So, I agree with you as to the overall bridge philosophy that you espouse. I think you are correct in a lot of your assessments of the overall picture.
you’re still tapdancing...
your face value as a self proclaimed “medical professional” posting on these threads is zero...
that means nothing...
why should anyone believe anything you say???...
Was on phone with friend who said the news tonight just announced a new covid virus ‘treatment’ that kills the virus completely.....so we shall see.
What are you afraid of? An opposing opinion? You behave as a demonrat troll!
Lots of misdirection from you, as usual.
The JnJ vaccine is an adenovirus vector vaccine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4507798/
Adenovirus vector is an rDNA gene therapy approach. (According to NIH, link above)
https://www.fda.gov/food/consumers/agricultural-biotechnology
From FDA .gov. (Link Above)
“What makes it a GMO?
A GMO (genetically modified organism) is a plant, animal, or microorganism that has had its genetic material (DNA) changed using technology that generally involves the specific modification of DNA, including the transfer of specific DNA from one organism to another. Scientists often refer to this process as genetic engineering.”
The spike protein gene is a viral gene, and genetic engineering has manipulated it to be expressed in humans by way of these vaccines. GMO humans...
And as far as the nucleoside response that is all generic misdirection that you provided.
The modification to the RNA in the Pfizer vaccine (what nucleosides they are using) is undisclosed. And they can be toxic, remdesivir happen to be effective at a dose that is not toxic.
https://www.fda.gov/media/144412/download (Pfizer EUA document)
The fda indicates that the analog nucleosides are being used in Pfizer, but does not lit them as ingredients.
From page 4:
“Each 0.3 mL dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine contains 30 mcg of a nucleoside- modified messenger RNA (modRNA) encoding the viral spike (S) glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2.”
Please stop the propaganda campaign, dr gas.
I was unaware that peer reviewed journals were in fact propaganda. These are actual scientific papers. I am sorry that you will not simply acknowledge the literature in a candid and honest way
Has anyone looked up the stats for people with lupus (and who are taking hcq) and deaths from covid?
You are the propagandist.
And you spin and distort to support your vax agenda.
You simply cannot make a cogent argument, so you resort to name calling. Please, I not only answered your queries, I provided you appropriate literature that is peer reviewed and very succinct.
And this is your response. It speaks for yourself. No need to respond, you have provided the complete picture with your answers.
Thanks and I am no vaxxxxx!
SgtHooper wrote: “What are you afraid of? An opposing opinion? You behave as a demonrat troll!”
I’m not afraid of the facts that the vaccine is saving thousands of lives. Opposing opinions are fine but they should be supported by more than a video. Where are the peer reviewed, double blind, scientific studies published in credible medical journals?
heavy metal wrote: “you’ve continuously proven you’re not a person of good faith with your refusal to listen to other people’s view on this subject...”
My refusal to believe the anti-vaxxer propaganda isn’t a sign of bad faith, it is a sign that I can identify false and misleading information.
biden opening the border and spreading thousands of “disease carrying invaders” across our country during a “global pandemic” is the truth, not propaganda...
heavy metal wrote: “biden opening the border and spreading thousands of “disease carrying invaders” across our country during a “global pandemic” is the truth, not propaganda...”
Proving that Biden is incompetent, not that the vaccines are unsafe and ineffective.
Why are you opposed to the use of prophylactics to slow viruses?
i don’t have a problem with people getting the vaccine...
i have a problem with people trying to force me to get a vaccine that i don’t want...
why is this so difficult for you to understand???...
Arguing with a Branch Covidian is akin to arguing with a Jehovah’s Witness or Mormon...don’t bother.
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