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To: familyop

Not a doctor so this may be a stupid question. Given that this rise in pediatric COVID coincides with the vaccination push, is it possible that vaccine shedding with its artificial spike protein is infecting the children of vaccinated parents and causing a cytokines storm the powers that be label multi system failure?


7 posted on 05/11/2021 6:09:38 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: caseinpoint
"Given that this rise in pediatric COVID coincides with the vaccination push,"

A virus that happens to mutate in such a way as to more successfully invade a body's cells and make copies of itself will tend to spread more to other previously less vulnerable individuals.

"is it possible that vaccine shedding with its artificial spike protein is infecting the children of vaccinated parents and causing a cytokines storm the powers that be label multi system failure?"

An artificial spike protein, or in some cases, messenger RNA, will not replicate itself. Only the whole, live virus will do that. A small amount of parts of spike proteins or mRNA will only stay in part of a body, which will call antibodies to be produced against the inert spike protein. Shedding of antibodies won't hurt anyone else, but it won't be sizable enough to make others more immune, either. Those antibodies will only help the vaccinated person.

11 posted on 05/11/2021 1:50:02 PM PDT by familyop (Third world slaves are misled to generalize distrust against friendly learners.)
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To: caseinpoint

I did some more digging, and it looks like the mRNA vaccines do cause our cells to produce their own spike proteins but without the virus. Then I looked up some simple explanations. Hope these help.

How mRNA Vaccines Work - Simply Explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOvvyqJ-vwo

How Do mRNA Vaccines Work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0kfdZ8o_j4

The spike proteins would then be destroyed, in effect, by our neutralizing antibodies (NAbs) and prevented from binding and fusing to cells. Not that it would matter, because there’s no virus under them to begin with. I’ll post more information for you right after this comment.


14 posted on 05/12/2021 12:00:28 AM PDT by familyop (Third world slaves are misled to generalize distrust against friendly learners.)
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To: caseinpoint

Here’s a link to an article that has been used by anti-vaccination campaigners to scare people away from being vaccinated. I only copied and pasted the part (below) that many people don’t reach while reading it. Bear in mind, that the first participants in the Moderna trial were vaccinated in the middle of March, 2020, about 14 months ago.

Spike Proteins Used in Covid-19 Vaccines: Are They Safe?
Although studies have found harmful effects of SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins, the proper interpretation is key.
Shin Jie Yong
Dec 27, 2020
https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/spike-proteins-used-in-covid-19-vaccines-are-they-safe-e1592b6ba8d3

[Excerpt:]

Implications for vaccine safety

But, at this point, there’s no concrete evidence that SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins are dangerous to humans. It’s only in animal and cell culture experiments, as well as autopsy observations, that SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins may be harmful. These studies, however, do not prove the same in humans or that the same applies to vaccine-introduced spike proteins.

It’s also crucial to understand that optimizations —trial and error to set up the right experimental conditions to get desirable results — is normal for cell culture and animal studies. . Therefore, even if such results apply to humans, the effect size may not be as potent. Not to mention that dosage used in experimental settings may not reflect real-life settings.

Let’s take the FDA-approved Moderna’s and Pfizer’s mRNA vaccines for Covid-19 as examples. Upon injection into muscle cells, the mRNA genetic code enters the cell and gets translated into spike proteins. These spike proteins then train the immune system to mount proper immune responses and form immunological memory to SARS-CoV-2. “COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein,” the CDC stated. It’s harmless because the coronavirus can’t hijack the cell’s replication machinery without its genome.

As mRNA is extremely fragile and does not enter the cell nucleus or genome, it gets degraded easily and has strict storage conditions and a short lifespan. In animal and cell culture research, the mRNA vaccines induced the highest protein production within 48 hours and declined soon after. Thus, mRNA-indued protein production is short-term. As follows, any harmful effects of the spike proteins will be observable within a few days.

Indeed, flu-like symptoms — such as fever, chills, fatigue, and headache — may happen within 1–2 days following Covid-19 mRNA vaccination. Rare allergic reactions may also happen within a few minutes of vaccination. But no prevalent life-threatening side effects have been documented in clinical trials of Covid-19 mRNA vaccines, at least in the span of two months. This is assuring as mRNA-induced spike protein production should be gone by then, at least in animal findings and according to rules of mRNA genetics.

Besides, human clinical trials have found potent B-cell and T-cell immune reactions specific for the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins within a few days of receiving a given mRNA vaccine. This indicates that any spike proteins the Covid-19 vaccines introduce are quickly taken care of by the immune system. Perhaps the mRNA vaccines make our cells produce spike proteins in safe amounts that are favorable for training the immune system.


15 posted on 05/12/2021 12:13:10 AM PDT by familyop (Third world slaves are misled to generalize distrust against friendly learners.)
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