Posted on 04/26/2021 1:09:05 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
They are the total numbers. For the last link (2020 numbers), scroll to table 1 and click the tab for “Yearly”. The second column is “Deaths from All Causes”.
You’re on the money I’d say, which is also what the whistleblowers are saying.
We’ve had 4 waves and they’ve had 2 so that means they will have 2 more?
What is this, some sort of Fauci the Fraud science? You seem to be comparing India with us without adjusting for population. India has 4+ the population of us and yet has just 1/3 the number of fatalities.They have a loooong way to go before even reaching us much less surpassing us in deaths when adjusting for population.
In India everyone takes HCQ daily as a deterrent for Malaria and I am convinced it plays a part in this.
“See post 77.”
I saw it and responded.
Poster used Fauci science
We didn't have 2.8 million deaths from COVID in 2018...it wasn't even a thing then.
Well they stopped using ivermectin for ambulatory cases in January, but as of today the government has re-authorized its use.
They’ll probably need to increase the dose to deal with this variant, but if they can get it widely distributed, the impact on the hospitals should be significantly reduced in a couple of weeks.
Do we have any data on the number of people reporting symptoms who have been vaccinated?
No, it means they're just beginning their second wave and it's already absolutely massive. We've been through four waves already. There's no telling how many waves would happen naturally, particularly as we've already seen variants that break through the immunity conferred by infection recovery in South Africa and Brazil.
"You seem to be comparing India with us without adjusting for population."
No, I very clearly did account for that when I said that their total deaths would surpass us within about a month and their deaths per million (if you missed it, this is the part where we account for population differences) would pass us in a few more months.
"In India everyone takes HCQ daily as a deterrent for Malaria and I am convinced it plays a part in this."
And if they click their heels 3 times, they'll all instantly appear in Kansas. US Immigration and Customs enforcement should really look into that loophole. But seriously, no, that isn't going to help things. What will help things for Indians is their government giving the vaccines they're producing to the Indian people rather than selling them around the world. But that would cut into the profits lining the politicians' pockets.
In India, vaccines cost money, but the dead cost nothing.
You hadn’t at the time I posted that.
Poster used factual raw data. You response and initial commentary was based on narrative.
“It’s just the flu”
/sarc
I haven’t seen that data from India. They’ve been exporting most of the vaccine doses they produce and their healthcare system is pretty poor, so getting solid data from them is difficult.
We do have great data from Israel where vaccination is widespread: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/pfizer-covid-vaccine-blocks-94percent-of-asymptomatic-infections-and-97percent-of-symptomatic-cases-in-israeli-study.html
94% reduction in risk for asymptomatic infection, 97% reduction in risk for symptomatic infection there. And they went from nearly 10,000 new cases per day and 100 deaths per day to yesterday’s staggering 50 cases and 2 deaths. For the whole country. All of Israel’s neighbors are seeing cases and deaths from COVID-19 either rise significantly or remain steady. Only Israel is seeing a massive drop in new cases and deaths. Only Israel has that many vaccinated.
Have you seen photos of millions going in to the very nasty, waste filled Ganges?
All together for a group hug.
And it goes on for days
If ever there was a “super spreader”.
>> Do we have any data on the number of people reporting symptoms who have been vaccinated?
Good question, and this is one of the issues I have with the evangelization of the vaccines — there are virtually no publicly/officially reported negatives!
The CDC has an area where one can report issues related to the vaccines, but I don’t recall its location.
In my opinion, no one under 25 should have the vaccine. And the others of reproductive age should cautiously consider the necessity of taking the mRNA vaccines.
“No, I very clearly did account for that when I said that their total deaths would surpass us within about a month...”
Your extrapolation may be correct.....and then again it may not.
It is a projection. What has happened in the past year plus is fact. Much has been said about the poor reporting of deaths from China virus in India (under counting). In America we have the same problem but in the other direction.
I personally think it’s all bullsh*t. First HCQ works, then it doesn’t despite clinical studies proving it has a marked effect if administered within 5 days of a diagnosis, then Ivermectin works according to studies, then suddenly it doesn’t, we must wear masks, then masks are useless....like I said pure BS and all about controlling us like freakin’ animals.
I’m in SC and virtually no one wears a mask anywhere unless a store requires it and I promise you I am seeing more and more people in these stores NOT wearing masks and no one says a word. I’m one of them.
He’s said that the Ivermectin treatment is paying off but how does HCQ rate in the mix?
There are reported negatives. About 1 in 90,000 can have a severe allergic reaction with the Pfizer vaccine and the same can happen for about 1 in 400,000 with Moderna. Those reactions (anaphylaxis) are serious, but typically blocked immediately with a shot of epinephrine. That’s why you have to wait 15 minutes after getting one.
The Johnson&Johnson vaccine has a potential blood clot risk. It’s also quite rate (about 1 in 467,000 so far), but potentially very serious as well. CDC has guidance to monitor for specific signs of issues related to that.
CDC has the v-Safe system (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vsafe.html). Additionally, there’s the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) operated by HHS (https://vaers.hhs.gov/). v-Safe is intended to be used by individuals who self-report any side effects they think might be related to any recent vaccination. VAERS accepts reports from anyone, but specifically healthcare providers are required by law to report any adverse events (any bad things) occurring within a specific time after a vaccination (typically within a few weeks, but sometimes up to a year after). With VAERS, if you get a flu shot and then fall on some ice three days later and break your hip, the event gets logged. Where VAERS is useful is taking all that noise and finding patterns in it that are worth investigating. Through that, it’s possible to identify very rare circumstances in which a particular side effect happens. Weird edge cases where nobody would otherwise link the two events.
Hope this helps!
Jan_Sobieski, my remarks are based primarily on the published statistics. Seems to be the same for 2PTR given the few posts I’ve noticed — however, we’re not necessarily arriving at the same conclusions.
To be clear, I’m not discrediting 2aProtectsTheRest nor his/her findings.
2PTR appears to have a favorable view of the vaccines, and I’m not yet seeing a compelling picture at least for the US — too few dimensions and the exclusion of demographics, environment, and historical influenza trends.
Thank you.
Initial reports with HCQ claimed miracle cure status. Then people actually tried it and it was found to be useless. Some very small studies with Ivermectin have suggested potential for reducing the risk of progression to severe (e.g. hospitalization). Those studies have all been small (larger studies are underway in a few places, but not complete). Some have also tried it with hospitalized patients and found no effect. Once you’re in the hospital, it’s useless.
Masks are useful while indoors in public places among people from different cohorts (primarily defined along household lines). They reduce the range and volume of respiratory droplets, which are the primary driver of infection transmission. Given a small enough space and a sufficiently long time, aerosols from an infected person can saturate the air enough that spread happens regardless. This can be solved with adequate ventilation for indoor spaces. Outside, masks are virtually useless, except when people are on basically top of one another (like at a protest).
Things like shutting down the beaches were ridiculous moves that went against all the available science. Same really for shutting down businesses. What was needed was Sweden’s path of helping businesses understand how to operate safely while preventing panic through competent leadership. President Trump did everything he could to help the states and kickstart the vaccines to end this whole thing, but the governors and state health officials absolutely bombed the response. And we’re all left paying the price for it.
So, nobody told them to wear masks?
This all could have been avoided.
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