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Army announces gender-specific fitness test score percentiles after women’s high fail rates on gender-neutral test
American MIlitary News ^ | March 22, 2021 | Ryan Morgan

Posted on 03/23/2021 9:20:55 AM PDT by skimbell

The U.S. Army announced Monday that it will use keep the events on the third version of the Army Combat Fitness Test (ACFT 3.0) gender-neutral, but male and female soldiers will be evaluated on separate gender-specific percentile tiers, amid concerns female soldiers are scoring lower and disproportionately failing the test compared to their male counterparts

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To: Saltmeat

>>Civilized nations do not send their women into combat on the battlefields.

Personally I don’t care if women fight on the battlefield, if that is what they volunteer for. I do have a big problem with grading females on a curve, which is just going to end up getting soldiers killed - like when a 250lb navy seal only way out is to be carried by the 110lb female who was given a pass on the fitness test.


21 posted on 03/23/2021 9:42:02 AM PDT by qwerty1234
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To: skimbell

These are all “practice” test.

The real test comes when they are in combat. There are only two scores, pass and you live, fail and you die (or someone else dies in your place)!

If the standards are not required for woman, why would they be required for men?


22 posted on 03/23/2021 9:42:46 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: skimbell
"[The Army Combat Fitness Test 3.0] establishes an evaluation system with gender-informed performance categories that may be used now to tier the soldier’s points or score according to their gender." - Gen. Lonnie Hibbard, the Commanding General for the U.S. Army Center for Initial Military Training

What a total embarrassment he is to what was once the United States Army (in which I served).

23 posted on 03/23/2021 9:48:23 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: skimbell

Won’t work. Male soldiers will simply ‘identify’ as females in order to pass the annual fitness test. And when that happens it will raise the median scores for the women causing a destructive feedback loop.


24 posted on 03/23/2021 9:59:33 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: qwerty1234

...but you define the exact reason they shouldn’t be on the battlefield - it puts men at greater risk of being killed, all in the name of political correctness.

The reality is that it is unfair for men. Will a unit make different decisions if a female is captured vs. a male? We all know what our enemies would love to do with our women. The only goal should be lethality, not woke social engineering - it’ll get people killed.


25 posted on 03/23/2021 10:02:40 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: skimbell

That sounds fair. Now all we need to do is find a gender-specific war for them to fight in. One where they don’t run so fast or punch so hard if you’re a girl. Sorry, a person of the vaginal persuasion. And I suppose they have to ask you for your preferred pronouns before they shoot you.


26 posted on 03/23/2021 10:05:39 AM PDT by _longranger81 (God help us, Every One. )
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To: skimbell

That sounds fair. Now all we need to do is find a gender-specific war for them to fight in. One where they don’t run so fast or punch so hard if you’re a girl. Sorry, a person of the vaginal persuasion. And I suppose they have to ask you for your preferred pronouns before they shoot you.


27 posted on 03/23/2021 10:05:49 AM PDT by _longranger81 (God help us, Every One. )
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To: skimbell

To put it bluntly our Military is in deep $hit. Our enemys have to be lovin this,espeically when they see Beijing Biden fall on the ramp.


28 posted on 03/23/2021 10:10:00 AM PDT by Rappini (Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
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To: skimbell
Sure. Why not? Put a couple of spoiled, fat Karens in every squad to slow them down.

Plus, the enemy will vector their location with all their whining about having to do their own dishes/mess kits.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

29 posted on 03/23/2021 10:12:21 AM PDT by LouAvul (Lying headlines from fake news articles written by pimps masquerading as journalists.)
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To: skimbell

We’re going to need special tests for pregnant women too. Definitely going to have to take “getting up off a couch or low chair” out of the fitness test, for equity’s sake.


30 posted on 03/23/2021 10:14:36 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: skimbell

But. . .but. . .but. . .what about woymn that identify as men. . .are they held to the same standard as biological men. . .tough question. . .as they will all but fail miserably. Can’t have that.

One standard for all, that’s the ticket.


31 posted on 03/23/2021 10:14:55 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Freee-dame

Weak Link by Brian Mitchell, great read. Old book but documents well the problem.

Making battle-field litter-carry a four-person task, not a two-person task (two women can’t lift a warrior on a stretcher and carry him off).

Reducing the charge in grenades because most women couldn’t throw a grenade beyond its blast radius.

Many other examples in the book.


32 posted on 03/23/2021 10:21:34 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: skimbell

War is racist and homophobic. It always was and it always will be. The US military should never become a social and political experiment that foments confusion and weakness within. Clearly there’s a ploy underfoot, killing off the US military will allow the Democrats to complete their task of killing off this Republic. The DC criminal cabal serves Amerika, not the same America we patriots love and serve.


33 posted on 03/23/2021 10:22:25 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: skimbell

“...but male and female soldiers will be evaluated on separate gender-specific percentile tiers...”

Are females going to get a lighter mortar baseplate to schlepp than the one guys have to lug around?


34 posted on 03/23/2021 10:26:30 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: qwerty1234

“Personally I don’t care if women fight on the battlefield, if that is what they volunteer for.”

I do. For many reasons. Very few front-line warriors support the decision to include females in combat roles. Even the Israeli’s gave up on that idea.

Pregnancy is another. . .abortion is morally wrong, but knowingly sending a pregnant female into combat is taking a baby into combat. She might have volunteered for that but the baby did not. What about unplanned pregnancies during deployment? What about planned pregnancies as a way to get out of deploying? The Navy has their Blue Water capability tethered when they have a pregnant female on-board.

Gulf War I, about 10-days before deployment, I was in the outer office waiting to speak with the Battalion commander and in the next office was a very pregnant female soldier crying to the First Sergeant, pleading not to be left behind. She blubbered she would go right now and have a C-section as long as she deployed. Ghastly. Just ghastly. . .Willing to carve her baby out of her belly and drop-kick it to the curb. Fundamentally wrong and against all biological imperatives.

In the field, in my experience, all female soldiers were Belle of the Ball. Never had to do a darned thing because some Sammy Soldier would volunteer to help her/take over the task she had just for a chance to get the bump-and-grind from Sally Soldier.

A funny aside:
A couple weeks before returning home, overhead this:
Soldier 1: Have you noticed the women are getting more and more b##chy?
Soldier 2: Yeah, it’s because they realize that in a few weeks they will be ugly again.

I have other reasons to believe sending women into combat is not a good thing, and physical standards and injury rates are only part of the reason.

Of course, IMHO.


35 posted on 03/23/2021 10:41:54 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Saltmeat
civilized nations would make it easy for mothers to stay home and take care of the babies instead of making an economic system that takes two paychecks to live decently....

we're far from being civilized...

36 posted on 03/23/2021 10:47:45 AM PDT by cherry (we are the Remnant)
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To: fuzzylogic

Agree.

And for a career you are taught to be sensitive to females, correct your language and behavior to be more “woke,” but yet, you go to war and are captured together and somehow you are supposed to turn off all the SJW wokeness so when they bring her out and threaten her to make you talk, you are expected to turn off all that decades-long sensitivity training and be detached? And then when you come back you are again supposed to be woke?


37 posted on 03/23/2021 10:48:07 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Who is laughing harder? The Democrat party as Republicans stayed home in Georgia thus giving complete control the federal government to the Democrats or the Chinese who are building up their army as we are doing gender adjustments? This is not going to end well.


38 posted on 03/23/2021 11:09:16 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: qwerty1234
Personally I don’t care if women fight on the battlefield,

Every time a read an asinine comment like this, I'm reminded of the time in Vietnam when I was so grubby that I just HAD to get clean. There was an old bomb crater which had partially filled with rainwater. A couple of us took turns guarding the others while we stripped down to boots, helmet and flack jacket. We were in the bush on a search & destroy mission against NVA troops, so we had to be careful.

Soap up, pour a couple of helmet-fulls of muddy crater water over your head, rise under the armpits, etc. and VOILA! Clean at last!

How's that going to work with females in your unit?

BTW, every time I go to the VA hospital, I see the walls covered with posters telling female veterans to report sexual harassment or assault. Predictable consequences.

Predictable, but not condoned.

39 posted on 03/23/2021 11:33:14 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( Experience is the best teacher, but if you can accept it 2nd hand, the tuition is less!)
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To: skimbell

The battlefield does not provide gender-specific obstacles and challenges.


40 posted on 03/23/2021 11:34:33 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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