Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: algore
I guess what I am saying is when electric cars get better and cheaper many people will choose them, but there will be use cases for gas and diesel powered vehicles

Honestly, 90% of Americans will be fine on EVs. You only need to use gas and diesel powered vehicle if you're transporting something cross country. But for rest of us, we go to work and then when we come home, we plug in the EV to the power grid so it will be fully charged in the morning.

8 posted on 03/07/2021 8:17:53 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies ]


To: MinorityRepublican

“we plug in the EV to the power grid so it will be fully charged in the morning.”

How big of a electric bill you willing to pay?

It will cost one hell of a lot more than filling up with gas.


10 posted on 03/07/2021 8:20:50 PM PST by crz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

You must live pretty close to an urban area - when I was in Southern California, it’s not unheard of to travel several hundred miles at a time given the distance between cities and the need to jump in the car to go different places.


12 posted on 03/07/2021 8:21:24 PM PST by JMS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

Plugging in an EV worked great in Texas when the power was out.


15 posted on 03/07/2021 8:22:56 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (This space for rant.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican
...we plug in the EV to the power grid so it will be fully charged in the morning.

You are guilty of fuzzy thinking. You need to think BIG picture from a systems perspective.

What do you think happens to the grid when 150 million EVs are plugged in at night? How much wind and solar energy is being generated at night to charge those EVs? Where is the electrical distribution infrastructure to support that load? Where are the energy STORAGE systems to store the wind and solar in the daytime to trickle into the batteries at night? You need to at least QUADRUPLE the capital investment in the windmills and solar panels to get such a system to work. The most likely backup strategy will be natural gas fired combustion turbines that will be sitting there idle during daylight hours and only used at night. The SYSTEM will have a terrible Capacity Factor (fraction of the nameplate output rating that is actually used). You will have an enormous amount of wasted capital trying to get the entire system to work.

Even then, you don't have the rotating mass of big generators to stabilize the frequency of the electrical system. It's a fragile beast that depends on massive electric generators for stabilization and you simply DO NOT have that with wind and solar.

And why convert to EVs in the first place? The whole notion that it will avoid greenhouse emissions of CO2 is laughable and, even worse, there is NO PROOF whatsoever that we should be reducing CO2 emissions. The rest of the world certainly isn't.

So we are going to completely upend our entire electrical generation, transmission, and distribution system as well as our entire vehicular transportation system FOR WHAT? To tell Gaia we love her?

The whole thing is preposterous beyond belief and perfectly exemplifies why you DO NOT do Central Planning of an economy or major parts of it.

27 posted on 03/07/2021 8:35:10 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (The Weak Never Started, The Cowards fail along the way, Only the Strong Survive)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

Please do this. I’m an oil and gas guy. The lng needed for this would keep me busy for life lol.

In the meantime, I’ll keep my diesel.


43 posted on 03/07/2021 8:46:09 PM PST by Bulwyf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

[[But for rest of us, we go to work and then when we come home, we plug in the EV to the power grid so it will be fully charged in the morning.]]

Question is, what is the electric bill gonna be compared to gasoline bill per month?


74 posted on 03/07/2021 9:07:00 PM PST by Bob434
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

In many parts of the US the power grid is stretched to the limit due to a variety of “Green initiatives” that have crippled it.

The reality is we need less electricity use, not more.


80 posted on 03/07/2021 9:11:11 PM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

“But for rest of us, we go to work and then when we come home, we plug in the EV to the power grid so it will be fully charged in the morning.”

The electrical generating and transmission capacity does not exist to supply conversion of 90% of American transportation needs to electric vehicles, nor will it in the near future. To meet the 2030 timetable advocated by climate activists for ending sale of fossil fuel cars and trucks we need to be on a crash electrical infrastructure upgrade program now.

Instead here in NC Duke Energy wants to build more natural gas fired power plants and the climate change lobby is opposing the plan demanding only solar and wind renewable energy plants be constructed to meet future power needs. As a result in 2030, as the sun sets each night and millions plug their electric vehicles in overnight, the new solar panel farms will be producing nothing for the power grid. As for wind generation, wind tends to decline at night so on most nights there will be less wind generated power produced than during the day. So how will all of those electric vehicles be recharged overnight, particularly on the cold winter nights when the electric heat pumps and strip heaters, that replaced the undesirable gas and oil fired furnaces, are running at peak load?


95 posted on 03/07/2021 9:21:03 PM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

And it’s free. 😄🙌


129 posted on 03/07/2021 9:52:08 PM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican
Where are all these amps supposed to come from? Unicorn farts? Look at the morning rush hour, and calculate how many cars equals that many terawatts of power that is, every morning...

And the Left doesn't want to generate what we have, now. Hydro dams are being torn down to make way for salmon. Say the word nuclear, and Chernobyl is the next word. Bird dicers? Solar is out, since "overnight charging" has a bit of a problem. Coal? Natural gas?

The Left wants people on foot, and EVs are being sold as a back door to putting the proles back in the fields, where they belong.

135 posted on 03/07/2021 10:02:58 PM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

“Honestly, 90% of Americans will be fine with EV’s.”That’s a pretty presumptuous statement on your part.What gives you the right to speak for 90% of Americans?You sound like a good little comrade when you speak of going to work then plugging your government designed EV into your charging station. No thanks. I’ll keep my F-350 Tremor with a 6.7 Powerstoke Diesel .


161 posted on 03/08/2021 12:26:53 AM PST by trashiscash
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

You go ahead and give up your freedom. I won’t. Diesel power.


202 posted on 03/08/2021 6:19:20 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (But what do I know? I'm just a backwoods engineer.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

Honestly, 90% of Americans will be fine on EVs. You only need to use gas and diesel powered vehicle if you’re transporting something cross country. But for rest of us, we go to work and then when we come home, we plug in the EV to the power grid so it will be fully charged in the morning.


In some ways you may be right.

I would add there will be nothing to travel to see, parks and all museums’/entertainment will be closed. People in Russia had no reason to travel. No reason to travel except to work. It will be a hassle to travel, so we will all stay home. Think of what happened this year.

We will pretend to work, and listen to their propaganda and the tv and internet and they will pretend to care for us.


214 posted on 03/08/2021 7:18:42 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

To: MinorityRepublican

I would add there is a lot of cascade here on travel.

won’t travel to visit family because of the eternal pandemic.

Many heritage/military sites will be closed for security reasons.

Many museums will close because of not enough customers. I suspect there will be a purge of non profits that don’t fit the agenda.

Public parks will close because of environmentalism and it takes money to maintain them just for tourists.

No cruises.

I am sure this is many more to add to the list.

Think of all the reasons we travel and why we won’t in the future. The world has changed already, we live in the past.


223 posted on 03/08/2021 7:31:28 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson