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To: Kaslin; Does so; kearnyirish2; HighSierra5; BRL; Antihero101607; ronnie raygun; ...

I very much admire Dennis Prager as a reasonable and rational person. I have always been interested in his concept of PragerU, and most especially, the 5 minute videos which I find provide EXCELLENT primers to subjects I may know little about.

I can appreciate this point he makes about liberals versus leftists, but from reading this, I get the impression Mr. Prager is making a distinction that is different from the one I have made nearly my whole life.

I understand the classical view of “liberal” which is...fundamentally conservative, and it has been deliberately and effectively hijacked by the Left, so much so that they have decided that the “Liberal” adjective, now being a shriveled and violated husk of its original meaning is no longer useful because people have long since begun using it as a pejorative to describe Leftists, that they now want to use the terms “Progressive” or “Democratic Socialist”.

This is unfortunate, but that is what they have done, and I have always felt it is a wasted effort to try and reverse that. I view it in much the same light as people who rail that Republicans have been designated with the color red, while the Left has been assigned the color blue, when it should be the reverse, but...while I am fully sympathetic, I see that as a lost battle, not worth fighting.

It is as if the Leftists would be gleeful to see us spin our wheels in these endeavors to make Liberal equal Conservative again, or reverse the Red and Blue political designations, while they further burrow into things that are meaningful.

That said, I have, for decades now, separated the Left into two major camps: Leftists, and Liberals.

Of course, none of us would even give Liberals and Leftists a second thought if their idiocy did not intrude into our lives, raise our taxes, and degrade our liberty.

And that is precisely why we have been unable to ignore them. Most of the “Liberals” generally leave us alone except for their mild condemnation of something they know nothing about and their propensity to be used as tools by the “Leftists” to accomplish their Nanny Statist goals.

A good example of this is many of the people who have “Black Lives Matter” signs or “Hate has no Home Here” signs. They have no idea, none at all what that raised fist on their stupid “Black Lives Matter” sign really means (Marxism) but their kid brought the sign home from school and wanted to put it in front of the house. A liberal parent might think “How could I be against Social Justice and Inequality?” without taking even a second to consider exactly what “Social Justice” or the concept of “inequality” means. They just put the signs out in much the same mindset of a 15 year old kid who wears a Che Guevara t-shirt...because it seems right and looks cool.

Myself, I have long made a distinction between “Liberals” and “Leftists”. Living in the bluest of blue states, I have had to mentally construct a stratification

Of course some liberals are jackasses, in the same way some conservatives are. I like to think of Liberals as people who just haven’t gone all the way down to road to Leftists.

They have some of the same ideological underpinnings as Leftists, but...mostly without the malignancy. Most liberals are just...wrong. They haven’t thought things out, they are still watching the news and reading the newspapers, accepting their reporting as unbiased truth, and are generally uninformed in many ways.

These are people with whom you can converse, and if you offered a conservative point of view about something like taxes or minimum wage laws, they might be taken aback and say “Really? Why are you against a higher minimum wage? Wouldn’t that be a good thing?”

When you explain that minimum wage jobs are not meant to live on, but are meant as as entry level job into the workforce where you can learn skills and begin to work towards migrating out of the minimum wage jobs into more financially rewarding ones with harder work and more responsibility, and that raising it is fatal to the very industries that offer minimum wage jobs, they might say something like “Huh. I never thought of it that way.”

It is why, in general, young people are often liberal, and get more conservative as they grow older and learn more about life. Some people just never move on from that stage, because they don’t give it much thought unless some issue smacks them in the face. Many of them are unwilling or unknowing Useful Idiots, and are exploited to the fullest by the Left.

Anyway, those are Liberals. There is hope for some as they get older, pay taxes, have kids come home with lesbian advocacy literature, or have an idiot tax levied against them.

Leftists are another matter altogether. They are to be avoided or fought against. Leftists I divide into two groups the spittle lipped-bug eyed ones whose faces are mottled with rage, who really believe in the concepts of “Social Justice”, “Systemic Racism”, and “White Privilege”. These are the foot-soldiers and cannon fodder of the Left. They really believe that crap, and are Antifa or BLM, and radically so.

And they don’t know that if the people they advocate putting into power, if they ever got into power and ran things as they wished, would likely have them dragged away to be shot at the first opportunity, and as they were dragged away in the middle of the night, they would be the ones screaming “Why are you doing this? I am on your side!” They would be dragged away and shot, because these “True Believers” in all the social justice crap have shown how dangerous they would be in the event another entity that is a threat to power comes along that could control these people and turn them against those in power.

Lastly, the ones in power are evil. Pure evil. They don’t believe in the Social Justice, Inequality, or any of the other crap. They are interested in leveraging those concepts as tools to manipulate people and obtain and keep power.

THOSE people we should not just avoid. We need to fight against them, tooth and nail. Which is, in their case, what will eventually have to happen. They wish to have dominion over and destroy those who are in their way.

And we are in their way, as we have clearly seen since 2016.


31 posted on 03/02/2021 4:52:28 AM PST by rlmorel ("I’d rather enjoy a risky freedom than a safe servitude." Robby Dinero, USMC Veteran, Gym Owner)
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To: rlmorel

Thanks for your expanded thoughts. Lots in there. I’ll only comment on this one briefly as it is time for the office:

“Most liberals are just...wrong. They haven’t thought things out, they are still watching the news and reading the newspapers, accepting their reporting as unbiased truth, and are generally uninformed in many ways.”

Most liberals would say the same about conservatives ... that at best conservatives are uninformed and indoctrinated by Fox news. Of course I think they are wrong - easy way to prove is to have them explain a conservative’s view on any topic, and you will find out rather quickly they give the leftist version of the conservative view, not what the conservative actually said or stands for. I know many conservatives who read/listen to the opposition; most liberals only read/listen to liberals and leftists. (There are exceptions of course, but they are exceptions.)


39 posted on 03/02/2021 5:09:55 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot ( )
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