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The West's Obituary
Market Ticker ^ | Feb 13, 2021 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 02/18/2021 3:17:30 PM PST by Rocco DiPippo

Ordinary vaccines we have lots of experience with, such as measles, the flu shot, mumps and similar do not carry a risk beyond that of natural infection and cannot be weaponized because they produce the exact same antibody response as a natural infection. If you have had either the measles or the shot you will have antibodies but an antibody test will not tell you which since they're not distinguishable.

I suspected from the start that due to the way these mRNA shots work -- they are not actually a vaccine at all in that they do not "mimic" natural infection but rather cause your cells to produce the spike protein that the virus has and that elicits an immune response -- that the antibodies produced by those jabs would be distinct and distinguishable from natural infection.

All of the so-called "experts" who worked to develop these and the firms involved knew damn well this was the case when they started developing them -- and did it anyway.

Now we have hard, scientific confirmation of that and it's very bad.

In fact it's potentially nation-ending bad.

An adversary that develops a virus (e.g. another modified/mutated bat virus, for example) that selectively targets ADE in people with the specific antibodies from vaccination, which are distinct from natural infection, could easily kill every single person who was vaccinated and not harm or only make mildly sick those who either had Covid-19 naturally or who were uninfected and unvaccinated.

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Any Freepers with a strong background in Immunology or Biology, or any field related to the development of vaccines, have any idea if this guy's premise is correct or even possible?
1 posted on 02/18/2021 3:17:30 PM PST by Rocco DiPippo
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To: Rocco DiPippo

Related...

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3935159/posts


2 posted on 02/18/2021 3:20:59 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tagline Under Review)
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To: Rocco DiPippo

Don’t know about that particular aspect of it, but Denninger has a demonstrated knowledge of a lot of stuff.


3 posted on 02/18/2021 3:29:33 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Rocco DiPippo

A visit to that website is a wrist-slitting good time. Geez.


4 posted on 02/18/2021 3:30:23 PM PST by Salvavida
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To: Rocco DiPippo

I believe the author is an “economics and markets guy”.

I have a background in biology and have done a lot of research and it concerns me that many health care professionals have reservations about the mRNA vaccines. With that being said, there is probably a general consensus that the vaccines are good among that crowd, but that does not make me feel better and some of the skeptics have legitimate questions.

I don’t presume to tell others what to do and believe everyone should make up their own mind about them and conduct their own health risks assessment.

I am at low risk for the virus and have opted after lots of reading (about half foreign media sources - I have little trust in American media) to wait for the Johnson and Johnson traditional vaccine.

On the other hand, my parents have both gotten the mRNA vaccine and I am thankful because they are much higher risks than I.

I WILL NOT allow my teenage children to be vaccinated nor do they need to be. It is simply not justified given what their outlook would be if they contracted the virus. I do believe there are very legitimate questions and concerns for how these vaccines might impact a pregnancy for women. What is the rush for kids? We will know much more about the vaccine in months or years if it is still a “pandemic”.

Hope this makes sense and your mileage may vary. I don’t think there is any “right” answer at the moment. However, like all things Covid, it mostly depends on your age and health condition. The one-size fits all approach is definitely not warranted for our kids.


5 posted on 02/18/2021 3:30:48 PM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: Rocco DiPippo

There’s stuff like this since about May of 2020.

From what I’ve gathered by reading such information is this is not a vaccine at all, rather a genetic modifier where the end results are not clearly understood due to the lack of long term testing meds normally get.

I also understand that there is no vaccine for any covid type disease, case in point the common cold. That’s why they went a route that is not of the common vaccine.

And I also believe even some government people are saying after these shots you still need to wear the mask, you can still transmit the disease, and you can still get the disease. Other sites say there are some nasty side effects.

I am not of the medical profession, thus I really do not know what to believe. Maybe this is an engineered bio weapon, maybe not. Maybe this “vaccine” will work, maybe not.

Considering the survival rate when actually getting the China Flu is well over 99%, it’s best wait this out a little until we see just what happens to those actually getting the shots.


6 posted on 02/18/2021 3:33:18 PM PST by redfreedom (You can vote your way into socialism, but you may have to shoot your way out.)
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To: Rocco DiPippo
I searched and found this, which is a bit more understandable to us laymen:

The Risks of Rushing a COVID-19 Vaccine

My take on this whole sad affair is you don't buy version 1 of anything. Not software, certainly not an experimental vaccine.

Individual mileage can and will vary.

7 posted on 02/18/2021 3:36:11 PM PST by Joe Brower ("Might we not live in a nobler dream than this?" -- John Ruskin)
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To: Rocco DiPippo

He’s an idiot. The mRNA vaccines do “mimic” natural infection.

All viruses infect you by hijacking your cells and forcing them to make more virus, which then infect more cells. Eventually, your immune system recognizes the invasion of the cell snatchers and starts to kill them off.

Traditional vaccines use killed or weaken virus to elicit the immune response. They take longer to make because the virus has to be cultured in sufficient amounts and then killed/weakened to make vaccines. Bad batches of vaccine with insufficiently killed or weakened virus have been known to cause disease outbreaks.

The mRNA vaccine is using messenger RNA to reprogram your body cells exactly like a virus would only it’s programmed to only replicate a single viral protein to elicit the immune reaction. Since there is no actual full virus present, it can’t cause the disease itself. Because it is synthesized rather than cultured, no human fetal or animal cell lines are used in its manufacture and it takes much less time to manufacture.


8 posted on 02/18/2021 3:40:22 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: volunbeer
An excellent response. Thank you. I've done a lot of reading on the mRNA vaccines and your views on them are pretty close to mine.

The fact is, this is the first time mRNA tech has been used in a human vaccine, and it was rushed into use without the usual years-long testing. I won't take it nor will any of my loved ones. Hell, I won't take the Johnson and Johnson conventional one either since I've had nothing but bad reactions to just about every vaccine I've had during the past 20 years or so.

If this disease was Ebola, or something like it, perhaps I'd roll the dice and take the jab. But it's not. I'll take Zinc, Ivermectin and high dose Vitamin D if I experience the onset of Covid and leave the rest up to God.

9 posted on 02/18/2021 3:43:46 PM PST by Rocco DiPippo
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To: volunbeer

the Johnson and Johnson traditional vaccine is said to be out in March


10 posted on 02/18/2021 3:53:02 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Valpal1
But unlike a traditional vaccine, this one essentially instructs your cells to produce a single protein spike that is unique to covid, then that manufactured spike elicits an immune response, theoretically guarding against future infection by the actual Covid virus.

There are several immunologists who are concerned that the protein spike manufactured is similar or almost identical to one that is essential to women's fertility. In other words, they believe there is potential for this vaccine to cause infertility in women, which might be permanent.

Long term controlled studies on the long term effects of these mRNA vaccines have not been done. Given the fact that Covid has a very high survival rate that is frightening to me - it reeks of recklessness and desperation.

11 posted on 02/18/2021 3:54:08 PM PST by Rocco DiPippo
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To: Qiviut

Bkmk


12 posted on 02/18/2021 4:03:14 PM PST by Qiviut (2020 Election steal result: We are beginning our "40 years of wandering in the Wilderness".)
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To: volunbeer

The J&J vaccine is the only one I’ll ever have.
But nobody is offering it.


13 posted on 02/18/2021 4:03:21 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Rocco DiPippo

COVID vaccine bump for later...


14 posted on 02/18/2021 4:04:13 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Rocco DiPippo

That is a theory without evidence. And they are looking for that evidence. Multiple women in the first trials became pregnant during the study frame time and to date have had no issues.

Global warming is a theory also.


15 posted on 02/18/2021 4:05:31 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: Mariner

FYI: J&J uses an aborted fetus cell line PER.C6 a retinal cell line that was isolated from a terminated fetus in 1985 to produce and manufacture its covid vaccine.


16 posted on 02/18/2021 4:12:52 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: volunbeer
"my parents have both gotten the mRNA vaccine and I am thankful because they are much higher risks than I."

Why are you thankful that your parents have received an experimental mRNA vaccine?
17 posted on 02/18/2021 4:35:23 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Valpal1
He’s an idiot. The mRNA vaccines do “mimic” natural infection.

Denninger's point is that the anti-bodies created from this process are distinguishable from the anti-bodies that occur from natural infection. That makes the recipient vulnerable to a secondary round of a corona virus that now targets these distinguishable anti-bodies. If this truly was a bio-weapon to begin with, these mRNA vaccines would be putting a literal target in every recipient's body.

Oh and by the way, China has apparently banned these mRNA vaccines.
18 posted on 02/18/2021 4:40:39 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

Viruses do not target and attack antibodies, they hide from them. So he has the science exactly backward. It would be a great feat of science to engineer a virus that commits seppuku by attacking antibodies and thereby alerting the immune system to its presence immediately rather than hiding and replicating madly in order to survive.

Then he blathers on about ADE while the linked article is about MIS which are not the same things.


19 posted on 02/18/2021 5:09:33 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: volunbeer

The author is indeed an “economics and markets guy”. Also founded the first or one of the first ISPs in the Chicago area and sold it, making himself independently wealthy.

I do know that when the 737 Max/MCAS “brown blizzard” hit, he also wrote at length on that. I’m actually in that industry myself, and what he wrote was generally consistent with the conclusions we at work came to.


20 posted on 02/18/2021 5:09:38 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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