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To: Dead Corpse
"However, the prohibition in the 2A DOES apply against the States"

Only if you accept the unconstitutional actions of judicial activism. Iowans are trying to protect themselves probably from an influx of Californians. I don't blame them. Californians are destroying everything everywhere. We're fighting them here in my state too. Should Iowan gun grabbers come around doing things in Iowa, the Second Amendment isn't for that purpose. They desperately need state-level protections from state-level actions and currently they have none.

Even as late as Cruikshank the courts were following a, to coin a phrase, wall of separation between state bills of rights and the federal bill of rights.

All of this "against" weaponization of the Bill of Rights - that's still a relatively new phenomena. Its a Federal Bill of Rights and nothing more.

"The very misconception about the 2A's primacy is the wedge anti-gunners use to come up with crap like "incorporation against the States".

I think we may be more in agreement than not. The Founders did not create a bill of weapons(against the states), it's a bill of rights. Every government needs its own Bill of Rights, at least in America. The word "against" gives the game away in regard to the danger that incorporation presents. None of the Amendments that the Founders gave us is "against". I lived through the age of Obama - 1 bill of rights isn't enough. We need all 51 of them. Government is out to get us, all 51 of them.

The reverse of this would be quite a crime against Americans - the repeal of the 50 Bills of Rights - in every state Constitution.

Why do you think the 9th and 10th Federal amendments have never been incorporated? 9th and 10th never will be. That's because the real point of incorporation isn't to protect you. It's to advance the interests of government.

My major concern with welding on RKBA after all of this is that it very well could give State legislatures "wiggle room" to say... "Yes, we protected RKBA here... BUT... we included all this other licensing and limitations crap that wouldn't fly under the original US Constitution's protection if we actually followed it".

I think this has a lot of merit, however we have to be careful to guard against the danger on the other side. Montesquieu wrote a lot about the failings of big republics and the Founders were well versed in his authored work. One of the reasons the Founders kept the states in place was to preserve locality, not just for the importance of local control itself, but also because big republics don't work. Montesquieu wrote a lot about it and the United States is no different. We need our states to prevent the "one big country" problem.

At the convention Hamilton made comments that were(or at least construed as such) in the nature of abolishing all of the states, and that did not go over well. So if we aren't going to abolish the states, then it must be considered what it looks like to keep them.

It's no accident that as more and more of the country gets nationalized and taken away from the states that the unhappier everybody becomes. We're all fighting and at each other's throats because "I don't want to live the way "they" live over there", wherever "they" and "there" is. Montesquieu would not be shocked in any way to hear that the big republic isn't working if he were alive today. "I told you so", he would say. Tennesseans simply don't have anything to do with what Oregonians are doing over there.

We have to preserve our states, and this statement has huge implications.

15 posted on 01/27/2021 9:30:32 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (Public meetings are superior to newspapers)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Its a Federal Bill of Rights and nothing more.

Well... no. The Pre-amble gives you the justification and process for application of the following Amendments. There are specific Amendments, such as the First, that stipulate who that applies to or against. Some of which refer to Congress, or Federal actions.

The 2A is also very clear, as were the people who wrote it... The Right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Period. Full stop. Doesn't matter where in the US that person is, they have a protected Right to not just keep armaments, but to bear them as well. Hence my quotation of both Rawle and Gallatin as they were both there during ratification and Rawle literally wrote the first "instruction manual" for our Country.

17 posted on 01/27/2021 12:10:08 PM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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