Posted on 01/12/2021 10:52:04 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski
Things seem to be working backwards at The Commons on St. Anthony nursing home in Auburn, New York. Vaccinating people is supposed to reduce or end coronavirus deaths. Right? But, at The Commons, such deaths are reported to have occurred only after residents began receiving coronavirus vaccinations.
James T. Mulder wrote Saturday at syracuse.com that until December 29 there had been no coronavirus deaths at The Commons. December 29, when deaths of residents with coronavirus began occurring at The Commons, is also, Mulder’s article discloses, seven days days after the nursing home began giving coronavirus vaccinations to residents, with 80 percent of residents so far having been vaccinated.
Over a period of less than two weeks since December 29, Mulder relates that 24 coronavirus-infected residents at the 300-bed nursing home have died.
Is the timing just a strange coincidence?
Read Mulder’s article here.
This is the penultimate paragraph of Mulder’s article, where vaccinations at The Commons is mentioned:
The nursing home began vaccinating residents Dec. 22. So far 193 residents, or 80%, and 113 employees, or less than half the staff, have been vaccinated. The nursing home plans to do more vaccinations Jan. 12.
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Great question. So what it comes down to is what the immune system triggers off of. What happens when you get an infection is that the "boots on the ground" soldiers (primarily macrophages and neutrophils) immediately respond and attack. If the infection is very minor, they'll win. In fact, they nearly always win. If they aren't winning, macrophages signal an SOS to dendritic cells, which are sort of like the brains of the immune system. Dendritic cells come take a sample of the invader back to the lymph nodes where a complicated process results in a custom designed response from T-cells and B-cells. The B-cells are what make the antibodies, which are essentially smart bombs targeting the invader.
So the problem is that if the dendritic cells take back samples of the invader that happen to closely match things the body needs, that custom designed response from the T-cells and B-cells is going to be attacking not only the invader, but also the body's own tissues that feature that sample. This is rare, but it can happen. Hopefully that makes sense?
When we talk about an overactive response (cytokine storm), that's basically a signalling error where the "boots on the ground" (or innate) part of the immune system releases tons of signals to create inflammation. These signals are normally there to help with the immune response, but if they're just flooded into the body nonstop, it can destroy healthy tissue in a hurry and lead to massive organ failure. Cytokine storms are often caused by respiratory illnesses (like Influenza, SARS2003, COVID-19, etc.), but can also be caused by other disease like ebola. In fact, often it's precisely that which kills people infected with ebola.
"Is the Spike and S protein the same or different? I thought they were effectively the same but this article makes a distinction. I thought the mRNA vaccine was making the spike protein as its component to trigger the immune response."
The S in S protein means spike. They're the same thing. The article is written poorly such that it moves back and forth between the two when convention would have you choose one, clarify with the other (e.g. "blah blah blah the spike (S) protein blah blah blah"), then stick with that throughout. No idea why this author chose to flip back and forth randomly.
You're correct about the mRNA vaccines. They encode the RNA for the spike (S) protein in the mRNA strand, which is then encapsulated in a lipid shell. That shell dissolved into cell membranes on contact, which releases the mRNA into the cytoplasm of the cell. The mRNA then attaches to a ribosome and the ribosome does what ribosomes do, which is put together the protein encoded in the mRNA. Out pops a bunch of SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins. The immune system sees this and assumes the cells are being hijacked by an invading pathogen. NK T-cells force cell suicide. Macrophages gobble up the "infected" cells and any loose spike proteins. Dendritic cells take the spike proteins back to the lymph nodes and kick off the process to customize T-cell and B-cell responses. You then get antibodies. After a few months, most of the B-cells have worked themselves to death. About 10% of them will then go dormant as Memory B-cells. If the same invader (as identified by the spike protein) is encountered again (e.g. if someone infected with SARS-CoV-2 coughs on you), those Memory B-cells wake up, multiply, and unleash a mass of antibodies to immediately overwhelm the invading SARS-CoV-2 virions. Thus, you don't get sick. You don't go to the hospital. You don't die.
How?
How would a vaccine which doesn’t contain the virus make you contagious?
I’m familiar with that, however, the variable here was the injection of an mRNA of Covid injected into otherwise non-Covid infected patience.
Are you saying one has nothing to do with the other?
LOLOL...you KNOW exactly which posters are going to show up on a thread like this. Ignore mode “ON”.
It is; but almost certainly in the right order of magnitude. To assume otherwise would require two things: 1) a drop in the death rate in order causes of death (none have been observed) and 2) 1 million doctors and 2.83 million nurses all engaged in a massive conspiracy along with other hospital staff, families of victims, coroners, medical examiners, and others, all spontaneously deciding to conspire to commit medical malpractice and fraud. This is a conspiracy that would require half the country, crossing all political lines, and with no reasonable expectation of any benefit to any of them.
"you have made the argument before that if a secondary or tertiary cause of mortality on a death cert is covid, that alone substantiates its inclusion in the covid numbers"
I have not. What I have stated (correctly) is that the US Standard Certificate of Death contains 4 lines for the cause of death in Section 32 Part I which are used to establish the chain of morbid events leading directly to death. Further, in the CDC's Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19), it's reinforced that only the events directly leading to the death of an individual may be placed there, and that both the immediate and the underlying cause of death must be established to the best possible degree of medical certainty and using laboratory testing to confirm any COVID-19 diagnosis whenever possible. It's right there in the links.
"using that logic, my father would have died from ischemic cardiac disease, aka atherosclerosis, which I and millions of others happen to suffer from, and on a daily basis is perfectly manageable...IOW, contributory, not causitive; my father actually died from hypoxia..."
Any significant conditions which contribute to death, but which are not part of the chain of morbid events leading directly to death are included in Part II of Section 31 on the US Standard Certificate of Death. Again, see the links above. This is how this has worked for decades. Nothing has changed about this process with COVID-19.
"what is equally absurd is the fear level that the medical community has ginned up over this virus, presumably in an effort to increase its influence in societal engineering"
The fear has been drummed up by the media and the Democrats. The media drum it up to sell ads. They're a business. They don't care about informing anyone. Any time a plane crashes anywhere in the world, CNN drops all coverage of all other news to focus on nothing but that to convince you that every plane ever flown is about to come raining down from the sky at any moment. Fox News got on a tangent about child kidnappings (another rare event) that had a lot of people calling Fox News "The Missing White Girl Network".
Meanwhile, Democrats wanted to scare people into thinking COVID-19 was the end of the world and that President Trump was incompetent to deal with it. When President Trump's Operation Warp Speed had 3 vaccines lined up ready for FDA approvals, how fast did Pelosi and Cuomo and the rest of the Democrats suddenly turn into rabid anti-vaxxers? Talking about how "rushed" they were and how "dangerous" and such. About how they wouldn't trust any vaccine approved by the Trump administration. And blah blah blah. Newsom and Cuomo went as far as to say they wouldn't allow the vaccines in their states until they had conducted a complete independent review of them. Why? Because if COVID-19 is the end of humanity and President Trump got safe and effective vaccines done in record time, President Trump is a hero. Whoops! So flip the script; "vAcCiNeS aRe BaD nOw!"
But what happened after election day? Where are Cuomo and Newsom with their independent testing? Oh, suddenly it's all about how fast can we get some of that vaccine? Typical.
That’s right.
Here’s an article about the paper.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589909020300186
The vaccine is experimental at this point and pathogenic priming is still a real concern. If you’re interested here’s an important summary on the danger of vaccines and pathogenic priming. Be an educated consumer https://t.co/GwVykfH2dK— Dr. Urso (@richardursomd) January 5, 2021
The mRNA in the vaccines is not of SARS-CoV-2. It's for one protein that sits on the surface and enables cell entry. The virus is so much more than just that little spike protein sitting on its surface. The S protein is noninfectious. It has no means of replication. It has no means of doing anything besides cell membrane transport. No one who is given the mRNA vaccines can possibly "infect" anyone with SARS-CoV-2 from the vaccine itself because there is no virus in the vaccine.
"Are you saying one has nothing to do with the other?"
Yes. 100%. 29 million people in 43 countries have gotten the vaccine. There are 0 confirmed deaths as a result of the vaccine. Before the vaccines, what did we see in every state and every country on Earth? One person who's infected with COVID-19 enters the facility. Residents begin showing symptoms. It spreads like wildfire inside the nursing home. Finally, a sizable portion of the residents die from COVID-19 complications. We've seen this every single state in every country around the world in elderly care facilities for a year now.
Now, because of some unfortunate timing, it happened at this one - just as it has at thousands of other facilities around the world - shortly after they got their first of two required vaccine doses.
So, did we just observe an event that's physically impossible - where a single spike protein somehow spontaneously created a whole virus? Or did we just observe an event that's become common around the world in the past year and happened here as well? It's the same event. Over and over. The fact that it happened in between the vaccine doses is not relevant. We know the vaccine is only ~45% effective after one dose. And it takes ~8 days to even get to that point. Anyone who understands how the timing works on the doses understands exactly what happened here.
The insinuation that the vaccine caused this is fearmongering nonsense. Full stop.
I don't know who "we" are, but "we" should try any hospital, morgue, funeral home, or cemetery.
"Wasn’t NYC Central Park going to be converted to a cemetery?"
No? Where in the world did you hear that nonsense?
It could mean a vaccine issue, but more likely, it is either because they brought all those people together for the vaccination, or because people let down their guard and changed their behavior.
“Failure of SARS and MERS vaccines in animal trials involved pathogenesis consistent with an immunological priming that could involve autoimmunity in lung tissues due to previous exposure to the SARS and MERS spike protein. Exposure pathogenesis to SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 likely will lead to similar outcomes.”
They’re purportedly dying of Covid. How do you explain it?
Like the US death rate and numbers being the same in 2020 as 2019 and 2018
Second, they were different between 2018 and 2019.
Pathogenic priming is more of an issue with viral infection than it is with vaccination, particularly when vaccination is done with generation 3 (mRNA platform) vaccines since those only feature a tiny part of the virus and provide far fewer opportunities for the issues that result in priming.
The vaccines are not “experimental”. They’ve gone through Phase 1 clinical trials. And Phase 2 clinical trials. And Phase 3 clinical trials. Over 100,000 people participated in those trials. They’re fine, by the way. And the other 29 million people who got vaccine doses already? Also fine. A small number had allergic reactions. They’re fine.
Meanwhile, with an Infection Fatality Rate of 0.65%, we would expect to see 188,500 people die if they had COVID-19. So you tell me; are there 188,500 people who’ve died from the COVID-19 vaccine already?
Not if the vaccine is causing pathogenic priming. That is what happened in animal trials for SARS and MERS vaccines and why none went to market.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589909020300186
How many people in this country reportedly died of Covid BUT did not!! JEEZE!! We haven’t heard the truth about a damn thing in this country for DECADES!!!
Covid vax has similar parts to human proteins. When one receives the vaccine, Covid exposure may cause massive cytokine storm.
Pathogenic priming likely contributes to serious and critical illness and mortality in COVID-19 via autoimmunity - ScienceDirect https://t.co/tv4bY1soVa— Dr. Urso (@richardursomd) December 5, 2020
Same way I explain it happening in every other nursing home in the US and around the world: someone infected with COVID-19 entered the facility, spreading the disease to the residents there. Elderly people are extremely susceptible to COVID-19 with a reported death rate somewhere north of 18%.
The two vaccines currently available require 2 doses. You’re not instantly immune the second the vaccine needle touches your arm. What happens is a gradual build-up. About 8 days after your first dose, immunity builds to about 45%. 30 days after your first dose, you get a second dose. Again, the second dose is not instant immunity. Immunity builds over time. About 8 days after your second dose, immunity has built to about 95%. That’s about as good as it gets.
The smallpox vaccine is 95% effective. We wiped smallpox off the face of the Earth with 95%. But no vaccine miraculously causes instant immunity. The total timeline from first dose to 95% immunity is about 38 days. And if you get exposed during that window, you don’t have 95%.
You’re drawing the wrong conclusions. The vaccine has vastly fewer similar parts than the disease itself. You’re still a million times better off getting the vaccine than you are the virus. The virus has many parts. The vaccine contains just one. The priming you’re expressing so much concern over is FAR less likely in a targeted vaccine than it is after COVID-19 infection.
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