Posted on 12/29/2020 1:36:40 PM PST by mbj
(I hope everyone who can will make it to the rally in Washington DC!!!)
Not a single court has examined the merits of cases filed. Evidence is overwhelming and it just falls on deaf ears.
Could the deep state be this damn powerful? I mean multiple judges, state reps, election officials..you name it are simply ignoring the evidence.
The plan is for Pence to reject the electors from contested states, awarding none to Biden nor Trump. Trump wins.
CNN ran a story that Trump was bashing Pence as betrayer who wants him to lose.
Pence’s allegiance is to the Establishment. Trump has to give him an incentive to do the right thing.
Trump should promise to resign in 2027 making Pence -— President Pence. That’s an offer the Establishment can’t beat.
Zuckerberg must be destroyed.
Wait wait wait, if the Amistad suit does not ask the court to decide what electors but just to decide to not allow the electors from those states to be counted, then ALL the states whose legislatures who have delegated their responsibility could not be counted either. The difference here, thank God, is that these 7 states legislatures offered their own slate of electors. It seems the USSC would have to invalidate every state whose electors were chosen as they were originally at the founding, NO???
Oh, one more thing...
They would have to be willing to do it, of which there is not even a shred of evidence.
> CNN ran a story that Trump was bashing Pence as betrayer who wants him to lose.
As a rule, I assume CNN is full of shit until proven otherwise. Which is rare.
In any case, I like the idea that one man has the power to step in at the end, after every other institution has failed to stop an injustice, and say “No.” To be honest, I didn’t subscribe to the theory that the VP had this power until I started seeing it pop up in articles by serious journalists; in my layman’s reading of the 12th amendment, I just didn’t see any other role for the VP other than simply opening the votes and reading them.
If this happens (and I’m still dubious), I expect pandemonium to erupt in Congress. Which would lead to the most exciting couple of hours in C-SPAN’s history, no doubt. We’ll see when he gets to the first contested state, which way he’s going (and does he even need anyone to raise an objection if he’s going this route?)
There’s also the possibility that, if he decides he can’t legally do this, he appoints an alternate to do the reading of the votes and doesn’t show up (in order no to lend the farce any more legitimacy than necessary). We’ll see...
> They would have to be willing to do it, of which there
> is not even a shred of evidence.
:-D
OK, but given the fact that the legislatures have not been allowed to meet, I am unsurprised at the lack of evidence.
However, there are indications that non-trivial numbers of state legislators are in fact willing, in Arizona and in Pennsylvania at least, because they have been having public hearings and have been publishing data analysis results. Am I mistaken?
It seems to me the wording is such so that the court has a fig leaf to hide behind; so they can point to the state legislatures and say that it is all their fault...when the left comes raging.
Yes, the difference is indeed the provisional slates of electors.
I’m still hopeful (wishful? ;-) that Vice President Mike Pence and the Congress will find a way to do the right thing and correct the outright fraud.
I’m OK with that! :-)
The Constitution says the Vice President SHALL open the votes of the electors.
SHALL means he must, there is no discretion, basically his role is ceremonial...
As with all of these hair brained ideas lately this seems designed to get more money out of Trump supporters....
“The plan is for Pence to reject the electors from contested states, awarding none to Biden nor Trump. Trump wins.”
If his tenure as Governor of one of the most Republican states in the nation is any indication, Pence has proven to be a Republican — when forced to stand strong with the laws of nature and legislature he surrendered. He could not even stand up to a horde of poofters. The thought that he will do the noble thing now is literally laughable.
He doesn't have the authority to do that.
There is no requirement for the Governor to call a special session. Legislatures can do it on their own. The Governors have no role regarding federal elections. The Legislatures have sole and final authority.
That’s not something a vice president can do.
Agreed, in terms of Federal law.
However, state legislatures may incorrectly feel bound to respect state laws, even if they were erroneous or unconstitutional.
It is my personal opinion that since this is a Federal and constitutional matter, and since innate authority rests with the state legislature, they are in fact authorized to act - by the constitution itself.
The constitution doesnt mean squat anymore. The Supreme court made sure of that.
The People. <--(My Words) That is EXACTLY why I have never and won't ever give My money to ANY of the politicians/campaigns.
If they have enough $$$ to file to run for any office then they have more $$$ than I do and they can spend their money. If anything these politicians should be PAYING US TO EVEN LISTEN TO THEIR ADS/B.S.
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