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1 posted on 12/04/2020 5:56:05 PM PST by Patriot777
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2 posted on 12/04/2020 6:07:10 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Democrats are the slumlords of American politics )
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Most good hospitals have the ability to do PCR tests. But they are usually used on other diseases, particularly bacterial infections. I'm not sure I've ever heard it being used on a virus.

3 posted on 12/04/2020 6:10:16 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (Guide me, O thou great redeemer, pilgrim through this barren land.)
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Most good hospitals have the ability to do PCR tests. But they are usually used on other diseases, particularly bacterial infections. I'm not sure I've ever heard it being used on a virus.

5 posted on 12/04/2020 6:13:34 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (Guide me, O thou great redeemer, pilgrim through this barren land.)
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It’s all about control, banking on the fact that the ave American is too ignorant to know what they are being gaslighted with or to even be aware that they are being gaslighted.


7 posted on 12/04/2020 6:17:43 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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In high school, it was more like the PBR test.



9 posted on 12/04/2020 6:21:12 PM PST by Bratch
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13 posted on 12/04/2020 6:41:33 PM PST by sauropod (Let them eat kale. I will not comply. Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis.)
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Excellent article. Some key points...
[The RT-PCR test] was developed by a guy named Kerry Mullis, who was given the Nobel Prize in chemistry for essentially inventing the technique of this test. And he said very specifically, ‘you cannot use this test to either prove infectious etiology, or to diagnose an infectious disease.’

...we don't have a gold standard (for CV-19), we don't have isolation, purification, reinfection; we don't have viraemia, we don't have millions of copies demonstrated on an electron microscope. We essentially have no idea who has this coronavirus disease.

2CT where CT is Cycle Threshold.

"So if you do 35 cycles, it's still too small to see. If you do 36, you start to see it but you get false negatives, even though you don’t really know which is a false negative, when you don’t have anything to compare it with. So then you do 37 and you see 5% of the time of people with the symptoms, and you say, ‘that's the number’.

"But here's where it gets interesting: If you do it 40 times, you start seeing a lot more positives, and then here's something else to know: If you do it 60 times, so if you amplify it over and over and over again, it becomes positive with 100% of the people.

"Let me say that again: If you amplify it 60 times, it will be positive with everybody. That means that everybody has a piece of this RNA somewhere in their cells or in their genome or somewhere in their secretions, if all you have to do is amplify it enough.


I've read where you MUST ask for the Cycle Threshold used in your test.
16 posted on 12/04/2020 6:52:48 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom ("Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" -- David Horowitz)
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If RT-PCR is only an amplification tool, WHAT exactly is being used to determine if you have CV-19 after the 37 cycles? If I understand this correctly, RT-PCR is only the amplification method; it is not the diagnostic method.

The paper quotes “...we don’t have a gold standard, we don’t have isolation, purification, reinfection; we don’t have viraemia, we don’t have millions of copies demonstrated on an electron microscope. We essentially have no idea who has this coronavirus disease.”

So, if you amplify 2^37 times, what do you compare the amplified material against?


17 posted on 12/04/2020 6:56:37 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom ("Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" -- David Horowitz)
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The link was very good and very accurate but most will not understand it.

PCR is a test that keeps replicating the target antigen x2 x2 x2 etc until there is sufficient antigen to identify. There are many corona viruses that share part of the same genome as Covid 19. We have all had them. If you run the PCR test enough cycles you will most definitely get a positive result but it maybe or may not be Covid 19!

This is not my supposition. It is the words of the man (a most brilliant and oddball genius) whom invented the PCR. His exact words are, “PCR is not a quantitative test.”

This is a recent quote and it was directed to his PCR system relative to testing of positive or negative covid 19.

I tend to believe the innovator of the PCR.

He was an odd ball genius now sadly and recently deceased due to natural causes. He was brilliant in the extreme and thus earned a Noble Prize for Science. One of the few prizes that are of value now. His hot tub gatherings were unique!

I was not there and did not know this man. His hot tub gatherings were common knowlege. I wish I was there.


19 posted on 12/04/2020 7:21:24 PM PST by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, roughhneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, old man, CONSTITUTION TO DIE FOR)
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21CFR requires ALL medical diagnostic test equipment to be validated for the particular diagnostic test it performs. The test MAY NOT be used for diagnosing anything prior to validation, under penalty of law.

PCR has NOT been validated for diagnosing Covid. The FDA gave everyone waivers back in Feb/Mar and never followed up.

What a scam.


20 posted on 12/04/2020 8:42:57 PM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (This is all a Soros funded communist insurrection! )
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21 posted on 12/04/2020 10:52:45 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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And i thot of this question after hearing that the death rate is about the same as prior years. Can the testers do 60 cycles and get a 100% reading from everyone who dies? Just to collect the extra money? Create a scare?


25 posted on 12/05/2020 6:39:03 AM PST by kvanbrunt2 (spooks won on day 76)
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A PCR test is used to diagnose symptoms, not to confirm a particular active infection.

You go to the doc with fever, coughing, soreness. Lots of things can cause that, so they take a sample and run a PCR to see what particular bacterial infection, Rhinovirus, RSV, Coronavirus, HIV, influenza, and hundreds of others, that you have. The one our pediatrician used on our kid a couple times when he was sick is designed to find something like 250 different ones. It’s to see what you might have in you, to narrow down the cause of what’s ailing you.

A PCR test is NOT useful to see if you have something despite having little to no symptoms. You have inactive fragments of most stuff you were sick with for a while after you were sick. You have a bunch of stuff in you, but not enough to make you sick or infectious. The PCR will find those if you loop the test long enough, even though you aren’t actually sick with anything!


26 posted on 12/05/2020 9:24:04 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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Bookmarked.


31 posted on 12/05/2020 9:41:04 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer, )
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