Posted on 11/21/2020 10:45:39 AM PST by Not_Who_U_Think
The city of Winston-Salem will issue an emergency order next week that more strongly enforces Gov. Roy Cooper’s COVID-19 executive orders.
The move comes as the city and county experience a surge in the number of COVID-19 deaths and cases. Forsyth County has reported 2,031 new COVID-19 cases over the past 14 days.
The city order, officials said Friday, will not be a complete lockdown; instead it will give officials, including police, more power to enforce the statewide orders, which limit the size of gatherings and require people to wear marks.
Winston-Salem’s measure will be similar to one imposed Friday by Greensboro Mayor Nancy Vaughan, Mayor Allen Joines said.
Vaughan's order directs Greensboro officials to enforce the regulations with fines and mandatory temporary shutdowns of businesses that are not in compliance.
“We’ve got to do something to get this under control,” Joines said.
The Respiratory Protection Effectiveness Clinical Trial (ResPECT)
an 8 year, double blind study - ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: NCT01249625
results: Brief Summary:
Despite widespread use of respiratory protective equipment in the U.S. healthcare workplace, there is very little clinical evidence that respirators prevent healthcare personnel (HCP) from airborne infectious diseases.
Scientific investigation of this issue has been quite complicated, primarily because the use of respirators has become "the standard of care" for protection against airborne diseases in some instances, even without sufficient evidence to support their use. The key question remains: How well do respirators prevent airborne infectious diseases? The answer to this important question has important medical, public health, political and economic implications.
All of these lockdowns, keeping families segregated, is the same thing these liberals claimed President Trump did at the border. The only difference for the time-being is no cages.
Don’t forget to encourage neighbors to turn each other in/s
Not sarcasm in Oregon, Gov. Kate B(D)has encouraged it.
Good luck with the old stuff:
The Marines and US Navy failed with their lock down:
Even a Military-Enforced Quarantine Can’t Stop the Virus, Study Reveals:
Jeffrey A. Tucker American Institute for Economic Research
– November 13, 2020
AIER >> Daily Economy >> Regulation >> Authoritarianism
The New England Journal of Medicine has published a study that goes to the heart of the issue of lockdowns. The question has always been whether and to what extent a lockdown, however extreme, is capable of suppressing the virus. If so, you can make an argument that at least lockdowns, despite their astronomical social and economic costs, achieve something. If not, nations of the world have embarked on a catastrophic experiment that has destroyed billions of lives, and all expectation of human rights and liberties, with no payoff at all.
[The earliest version of this article misstated the conditions of the control group. They were equally locked down with those who participated in the study. The difference between the two concerned testing frequency and the isolation response. This does not affect this article’s conclusion; indeed it strengthens it: even under extreme measures, the virus spread, and more so with the extra measure intended to control the virus. Nearly all infections were without symptoms.]
AIER has long highlighted studies that show no gain in virus management from lockdowns. Even as early as April, a major data scientist said that this virus becomes endemic in 70 days after the first round of infection, regardless of policies. The largest global study of lockdowns compared with deaths as published in The Lancet found no association between coercive stringencies and deaths per million.
To test further might seem superfluous but, for whatever reason, governments all over the world, including in the US, still are under the impression that they can affect viral transmissions through a range of “nonpharmaceutical interventions” (NPIs) like mandatory masks, forced human separation, stay-at-home orders, bans of gatherings, business and school closures, and extreme travel restrictions. Nothing like this has been tried on this scale in the whole of human history, so one might suppose that policy makers have some basis for their confidence that these measures accomplish something.
A study conducted by Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in cooperation with the Naval Medical Research Center sought to test lockdownsm along with testing and isolation. In May, 3,143 new recruits to the Marines were given the option to participate in a study of frequent testing under extreme quarantine. The study was called CHARM, which stands for COVID-19 Health Action Response for Marines. Of the recruits asked, a total of 1,848 young people agreed to be guinea pigs in this experiment which involved “which included weekly qPCR testing and blood sampling for IgG antibody assessment.” In addition, the CHARM study volunteers who did test positively “on the day of enrollment (day 0) or on day 7 or day 14 were separated from their roommates and were placed in isolation.”
What did the recruits have to do? The study explains, and, as you will see, they faced an even more strict regime that has existed in civilian life in most places. All recruits, even those not in the CHARM group, did the following.
All recruits wore double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors, except when sleeping or eating; practiced social distancing of at least 6 feet; were not allowed to leave campus; did not have access to personal electronics and other items that might contribute to surface transmission; and routinely washed their hands. They slept in double-occupancy rooms with sinks, ate in shared dining facilities, and used shared bathrooms. All recruits cleaned their rooms daily, sanitized bathrooms after each use with bleach wipes, and ate preplated meals in a dining hall that was cleaned with bleach after each platoon had eaten.
Most instruction and exercises were conducted outdoors. All movement of recruits was supervised, and unidirectional flow was implemented, with designated building entry and exit points to minimize contact among persons. All recruits, regardless of participation in the study, underwent daily temperature and symptom screening. Six instructors who were assigned to each platoon worked in 8-hour shifts and enforced the quarantine measures. If recruits reported any signs or symptoms consistent with Covid-19, they reported to sick call, underwent rapid qPCR testing for SARS-CoV-2, and were placed in isolation pending the results of testing.
Instructors were also restricted to campus, were required to wear masks, were provided with preplated meals, and underwent daily temperature checks and symptom screening. Instructors who were assigned to a platoon in which a positive case was diagnosed underwent rapid qPCR testing for SARS-CoV-2, and, if the result was positive, the instructor was removed from duty. Recruits and instructors were prohibited from interacting with campus support staff, such as janitorial and food-service personnel. After each class completed quarantine, a deep bleach cleaning of surfaces was performed in the bathrooms, showers, bedrooms, and hallways in the dormitories, and the dormitory remained unoccupied for at least 72 hours before reoccupancy.
The reputation of Marine basic training is that it is tough going but this really does take it to another level. Also, this is an environment where those in charge do not mess around. There was surely close to 100% compliance, as compared with, for example, a typical college campus.
What were the results? The virus still spread, though 90% of those who tested positive were without symptoms. Incredibly, 2% of the CHARM recruits still contracted the virus, even if all but one remained asymptomatic. “Our study showed that in a group of predominantly young male military recruits, approximately 2% became positive for SARS-CoV-2, as determined by qPCR assay, during a 2-week, strictly enforced quarantine.”
And how does this compare to the control group that was not tested and not isolated in the case of a positive case? Have a look at this chart from the study:
New England Journal of Medicine
https://www.aier.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Screen-Shot-2020-11-13-at-10.16.32-AM-1200x691.png
Which is to say that the nonparticipants actually contracted the virus at a slightly lower rate than those who were under an extreme regime. Conversely, extreme enforcement of NPIs plus more frequent testing and isolation was associated with a greater degree of infection.
I’m grateful to Don Wolt for drawing my attention to this study, which, so far as I know, has received very little attention from any media source at all, despite having been published in the New England Journal of Medicine on November 11.
Here are four actual media headlines about the study that miss the point entirely:
CNN: “Many military Covid-19 cases are asymptomatic, studies show”
SciTech Daily: “Asymptomatic COVID-19 Transmission Revealed Through Study of 2,000 Marine Recruits”
ABC: “Broad study of Marine recruits shows limits of COVID-19 symptom screening”
US Navy: “Navy/Marine Corps COVID-19 Study Findings Published in New England Journal of Medicine”
No national news story that I have found highlighted the most important finding of all: extreme quarantine plus frequent testing and isolation among military recruits did nothing to stop the virus.
The study is important because of the social structure of control here. It’s one thing to observe no effects from national lockdowns. There are countless variables here that could be invoked as cautionary notes: demographics, population density, preexisting immunities, degree of compliance, and so on.
But with this Marine study, you have a near homogeneous group based on age, health, and densities of living. And even here, you see confirmed what so many other studies have shown: lockdowns are pointlessly destructive.
They do not manage the disease. They crush human liberty and produce astonishing costs, such as 5.53 million years of lost life from the closing of schools alone.
The lockdowners keep telling us to pay attention to the science. That’s what we are doing. When the results contradict their pro-compulsion narrative, they pretend that the studies do not exist and barrel ahead with their scary plans to disable all social functioning in the presence of a virus. Lockdowns are not science. They never have been. They are an experiment in social/political top-down management that is without precedent in cost to life and liberty.
[The earliest version of this article misstated the conditions of the control group. They were equally locked down with those who participated in the study. The difference between the two concerned testing frequency and the isolation response. This does not affect this article’s conclusion; indeed it strengthens it: even under extreme measures, the virus spread, and more so with the extra measure intended to control the virus. Nearly all infections were without symptoms.]
https://www.aier.org/article/even-a-military-enforced-quarantine-cant-stop-the-virus-study-reveals/
New England Journal of Medicine
New England Journal of Medicine
Which is to say that the nonparticipants actually contracted the virus at a slightly lower rate than those who were under an extreme regime. Conversely, extreme enforcement of NPIs plus more frequent testing and isolation was associated with a greater degree of infection.
I’m grateful to Don Wolt for drawing my attention to this study, which, so far as I know, has received very little attention from any media source at all, despite having been published in the New England Journal of Medicine on November 11.
Here are four actual media headlines about the study that miss the point entirely:
CNN: “Many military Covid-19 cases are asymptomatic, studies show”
SciTech Daily: “Asymptomatic COVID-19 Transmission Revealed Through Study of 2,000 Marine Recruits”
ABC: “Broad study of Marine recruits shows limits of COVID-19 symptom screening”
US Navy: “Navy/Marine Corps COVID-19 Study Findings Published in New England Journal of Medicine”
No national news story that I have found highlighted the most important finding of all: extreme quarantine plus frequent testing and isolation among military recruits did nothing to stop the virus.
The study is important because of the social structure of control here. It’s one thing to observe no effects from national lockdowns. There are countless variables here that could be invoked as cautionary notes: demographics, population density, preexisting immunities, degree of compliance, and so on. But with this Marine study, you have a near homogeneous group based on age, health, and densities of living. And even here, you see confirmed what so many other studies have shown: lockdowns are pointlessly destructive. They do not manage the disease. They crush human liberty and produce astonishing costs, such as 5.53 million years of lost life from the closing of schools alone.
The lockdowners keep telling us to pay attention to the science. That’s what we are doing. When the results contradict their pro-compulsion narrative, they pretend that the studies do not exist and barrel ahead with their scary plans to disable all social functioning in the presence of a virus. Lockdowns are not science. They never have been. They are an experiment in social/political top-down management that is without precedent in cost to life and liberty.
[The earliest version of this article misstated the conditions of the control group. They were equally locked down with those who participated in the study. The difference between the two concerned testing frequency and the isolation response. This does not affect this article’s conclusion; indeed it strengthens it: even under extreme measures, the virus spread, and more so with the extra measure intended to control the virus. Nearly all infections were without symptoms.]
https://www.aier.org/article/even-a-military-enforced-quarantine-cant-stop-the-virus-study-reveals/
This is really terrifying, but for all the wrong reasons. The China Plague survival rate in Forsyth County is 98.6%. Terrible odds of survival. And it is going to get worse because the dominant group of people testing positive right now are in their lower 20’s. The more young people who get the plague and test positive the higher the survival rate. There is no way a feeble 20 year old can survive this onslaught of devastation brought on by the CCP and their commie counter parts in Amerika. Surviving the China Plague is a piece of cake. Surviving the scamdemic is quite another thing. (For the slower people, parts of this was dripping and oozing with sarcasm.)
We need Joe Biden’s plan now! Joe said he had a better plan and that nobody would have died had he been president! People are now dying because Joe is holding back his plan! This has to stop now! /s
My grandson goes to college there and will be heading home to a crazier state (CA) on Tuesday.
Nancy Vaughn can suck it...I won’t be doing a damn thing differently.
You do not have a freaking clue how many are hospitalized WITH the virus, because everything is classified as the virus,,,even broken legs and heart attacks.
So there are more cases..Cases is NOT sick. And the survival rate is 99+%. So there is that.
Just more dumblecrat panic and whining from the Karens.
They can just eff off.
On the contrary, they have the cages.
They are just filled with criminals at the moment, but don't worry, they'll release the felons due to fear of COVID and fill them with citizens who didn't wear a mask for Thanksgiving.
Re-education camps as well. Hopefully I'll be dead before that happens.
KY is beginning to have a bit more pushback. IF the restaurant and bar owners band together, and employees will back up their employers (civil disobedience), and loyal customers continue (and physically insist on) patronage, the State cannot possibly enforce the new restrictions. I am NOT promoting this, it is merely my observation. If it occurs to me, so much more it will to those directly affected (owners and employees.)
An aside: Owners / managers who do not treat their employees well and build employee loyalty are going to be in a weak position on this, should it build.
You apparently have no freaking clue.Ii am not a proponent of masks or lockdowns, I think they are worse than worthless. However, our hospitals are currently full to overflowing with covid. real covid not broken arms that test positive. the other half of the hospital is full of people who have delayed care because they are scared to death if covid and now are sick enough to need hospitalization. The pandemic is real. thankfully the death rate is going down and we are getting better at treating it, but it is not a hoax
Keep electing these crazy power-mad control freak moonbat women, America!
My wife has many friends & acquaintances who are health care professionals, and I have some too (mainly through care first for my now passed on Dad, and presently my elderly Mom.) From what they tell us, and other anecdotal evidence from the community, I would concur: While the case loads at our local hospitals are not yet at a critical level, the only thing I see preventing it / interrupting the current trends will be getting the vaccine(s) out quickly to vulnerable people and their caregivers.
I have every clue in the world because i actually think.
Our hospitals are not full to overflowing. NC where this current panic is taking place has all of 1200 hospitalized...hardly overflowing.
Yes the virus is real...the reaction to it is nonsense.
That 1200 number is the total number of COVID-19 hospitalizations in NC at present, correct? What is the present figure for ALL hospitalizations vs. room capacity?
I tried to research further, but ran into sites requiring log-ins. I did find a fairly thorough report concerning capacity in NC back in June, 2020:
https://www.ncha.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/COVID19Update_6-22-2020.pdf
NC has had a quite steady moderate rate (daily, 7 day average) of COVID-19 reported fatalities for some time. Due to improving treatments, I would expect that to translate into a gradually rising but moderate and readily manageable number of hospital cases so far.
OTOH, the shape of that NC daily fatalities curve is, in fact, quite atypical, so it’d be unwise to assume the NC situation applies everywhere.
the other issue is how many staff are out with covid or awaiting covid testing? Available beds are a function of physical space and staff to care for the patients. We seen to have much more staff illness this time around
The two main hospitals in Forsyth county, were WS is located, are less than 50% full for last 6-7 months!!
Yes, I was a bit sloppy there: I probably should have said “Available beds”, as that would be inclusive of staffing shortages also.
Nursing homes have a problem too: One of our local nursing homes has a significant problem in that regard, with their higher level nurses out.
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