Posted on 11/11/2020 7:38:37 PM PST by PK1991
I think one of the problems Conservatives have is that tend to want instant gratification and not play the long game.
We have to accept this is going to be a long fight. There are successes and there are setbacks, if Trump loses, it’s a setback. But new opportunities will come from it, Trump won’t give up. Imagine if we won 300+ House Seats in 2022. If every single MAGA voter votes in those elections it will happen, no gerrymandering can change that.
No, but I haven't seen anything very impressive from the people who should be doing that. I have seen lots of TV lawyering which makes me wonder what the real intent here is.
There's a lot of money being raised off of this perceived fight. I guess we'll see how substantial the legal case ends up being but so far they haven't presented anything that would make a court even slow down certification.
Jones Day is just one of the law firms involved.
Jones Day's representing the PA GOP in their original case before SCOTUS having to do with the respective powers of the PA branches of government.
They've made it very clear that they aren't involved in any of the post-election challenges.
“No, but I haven’t seen anything very impressive from the people who should be doing that.”
What would impress you, and where do you think you would see it? Do you find the filed complaints to be defective or deficient?
I guess we will see. If these cases are lost, it won’t be due to a lack of specialty election lawyers.
I'd like to see some filings that allege fraud or at least something beyond what are run-of-the mill human errors or partisan complaining about insufficient access. You know, something that would give a judge pause.
In the hearings I know about the Trump camp lawyers have been very clear that they aren't alleging fraud or wrongdoing, just raising concerns about process, and haven't come close to documenting problems that would sway enough votes to be meaningful.
At this very minute they're in court (conference call) in AZ on the ridiculous Sharpie-gate thing trying to admit a bunch of affidavits they collected from an online form on their web site.
The admit that some of the ones they got were false but say they excluded all the ones they knew were bad.
The judge rightly asked how they verified the reliability of the remaining affidavits. They replied; CAPTCHA.
Needless to say, the judge excluded the affidavits.
I'm not saying something compelling won't appear but they're sure taking their time presenting it. And in the meantime all we're hearing on TV is a bunch of allegations that they seem afraid to actually put in front of a court.
Here’s one of the federal court complaints.
The allegations are basically that MI officials allowed the fraud to take place by denying the GOP officials their rights to observe and participate in the process. It also alleges that Wayne Co. counted illegal ballots. It looks to be pretty well-drafted for the remedy it seeks.
Plaintiff’s counsel is identified as Mark F. (Thor) Hearne, II.
He appears to have some experience in election law.
Co-counsel is Stephen S. Davis.
Here are their bios. https://truenorthlawgroup.com/meet-our-team/
Now, they are not household names like Rudy or even well-known players like Sekulow and Bondi. But they do appear to have some expertise in election law.
This filing is an almost perfect example of what I'm talking about.
There isn't a single allegation of fraud. The worst that can be said is some votes were counted where the election worker made a different judgment call than the affiant.
The complaints are all about dissatisfaction with how processes were implemented. Were the observers close enough to have "meaningful" access, etc.
And the submitted affidavits are a hot mess. The Blaze actually did a pretty thorough review of the them. You should read their analysis. Here's an excerpt:
If the goal is to get a judge to stop the certification process they need something way more substantial than complaints from a bunch of poll watchers that they weren't treated as well as they would have liked.
If, on the other hand, the goal is to throw a bunch of dust in the air and generate some good old outrage to enhance fund raising, well...
LOL. It appears that in addition to the District Court in Michigan they also filed this in the US Court of Federal Claims in DC which only hears monetary claims against the federal government and has zero jurisdiction in this case.
I'm sure Thor has a cunning plan...
I notice you have moved away from your original claim that no “election law specialists” are involved. Smart move. It was an untenable position.
“complaints from a bunch of poll watchers that they weren’t treated as well as they would have liked.”
That is not what is alleged, and you know it. That is completely dishonest.
“The worst that can be said is some votes were counted where the election worker made a different judgment call than the affiant.”
That’s not at all what is reflected in the Complaint or in the affidavits or even in the Blaze’s review.
It would have been if I had taken it.
That’s not at all what is reflected in the Complaint or in the affidavits or even in the Blaze’s review.
Point me to an allegation of fraud in the complaint.
That IS weird. I know there’s a Michigan Court of Claims case. I can’t find anything about a U.S. Claims Court case on PACER. Got a case number?
You said it was about poll workers not being treated as well as they would have liked and judgment calls. That is not reflected in the Complaint, the affidavits, or the Blaze article. There are some allegations of poor treatment in the affidavits, but that is not what the lawsuit is about.
“Secretary Benson and Wayne County election officials did not follow Michigan’s Election Code and allowed fraud and incompetence to corrupt the conduct of the 2020 general election.”
Admittedly, it doesn’t accuse Secretary Benson of committing fraud, only of allowing it by not following the law.
“It would have been if I had taken it.”
Yeah, okay Mr. Specialties Matter. They matter until you realize that you were wrong on that. I look forward to the U.S. Claims Court case number. That would be pretty damning for Team Trump as there is not even an arguable basis for jurisdiction in that court. The attorneys should be sanctioned for that kind of incompetence.
Case 1:20-cv-01567-EDK
They filed the exact same thing in the Court of Federal Claims. Admittedly probably just a clerical mistake, but still.
Let's review. A poster said Rudy was the PR while Sekulow and Powell were the "real players". I suggested the real players should be election law experts. That's it.
From that you took some silly notion I didn't think they had any election lawyers on the team.
That would be pretty damning for Team Trump as there is not even an arguable basis for jurisdiction in that court.
The first sentence of the complaint says:
"This Court has subject matter under 28 U.S.C. 1331 which provides, “The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of all civil actions arising under the Constitution, laws, or treaties of the United States.”"
Take it up with Thor.
Yeah, the caption on the complaint even says Western District of Michigan, and the assertions of jurisdiction and venue are for the federal court in Michigan. Also, somebody paid a $400 filing fee. The filing fee in that court is $350.00, and there’s not anything that would make it an even $400.00. That’s pretty sloppy. Paralegal getting fired.
Wow. Where can we sign up?
Call the RNC They will gladly take any volunteers they can get!!!
Good idea. I’ll do that, thanks.
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