Posted on 11/10/2020 5:43:42 AM PST by Kaslin
Correct. I live in Poland and a lot of moaning is over how the UK and hte USA abandoned Poland in 1945, but I’ve told the Poles that there was really no way to liberate Poland in 1945.
Perhaps if the USA went on fighting, then in 1949 or 1950, poland could have been liberated, but not earlier
Not true. The US only built 2 nukes during WW. It would have taken 6 months at least build another. All the enriched uranium had already been used up. Truman would never had approved war against the USSR.
Firstly - the US had only 2 nukes - it would have taken months to create more. Secondly, it would have hurt their allies as well.
Mao was going to take over China no matter what
I have it on good authority that a third bomb was heading to tinian or more likely have already been there right after Nagasaki. And that two more were being hurriedly being built at the same time.
“. Groves expected to have another “Fat Man” atomic bomb ready for use on August 19, with three more in September and a further three in October;[87] a second Little Boy bomb (using U-235) would not be available until December 1945.[230][231] On August 10, he sent a memorandum to Marshall in which he wrote that “the next bomb ... should be ready for delivery on the first suitable weather after 17 or 18 August.” Marshall endorsed the memo with the hand-written comment, “It is not to be released over Japan without express authority from the President”,[87] something Truman had requested that day. This modified the previous order that the target cities were to be attacked with atomic bombs “as made ready”.[232] There was already discussion in the War Department about conserving the bombs then in production for Operation Downfall, and Marshall suggested to Stimson that the remaining cities on the target list be spared attack with atomic bombs.[233]
Two more Fat Man assemblies were readied, and scheduled to leave Kirtland Field for Tinian on August 11 and 14,[234] and Tibbets was ordered by LeMay to return to Albuquerque, New Mexico, to collect them.[235] At Los Alamos, technicians worked 24 hours straight to cast another plutonium core.[236] Although cast, it still needed to be pressed and coated, which would take until August 16.[237] Therefore, it could have been ready for use on August 19. Unable to reach Marshall, Groves ordered on his own authority on August 13 that the core should not be shipped.[232] “
Just my worthless opinions, but I’d have to answer your question as “yes”, because the German’s tactics and strategy were so closely related. If the German’s strategy was to quickly defeat the Soviet Union and force it to cede its western territory, then the tactics and resources deployed were not adequate. But German tactics were incredibly effective initially at destroying the enemy and taking vast territory. Strategic requirements for success far outran tactical possibilities.
My parents told me what life was like during WWII, the entire country sacrificed to support the war effort. Their gas ration was 3 gallons a week. One of her aunts heard nothing from her son for over 3 years.
It's my contention that Truman would have been impeached for not using Fat Man and Little Boy, instead of a land invasion of Japan.
During the planning for a land invasion of Japan, the War Department placed an order for 500,000 Purple Hearts.
That supply has yet to be exhausted.
We built three.
The one detonated at Trinity and the two dropped on Japan.
The US was broke.
The Allies were destroyed.
Japan loomed.
Just because Puzo and Coppola wrote a decent movie doesn’t change the fact we were exhausted. The people would not have put up with it. Period.
And it cost them about the same number of troops we lost in the entire French campaign. No thanks.
Read “Racing for the Bomb” the US would have had one bomb ready by September-October. If the war had continued into 1946 , probably would have had four or five more.
After Okinawa, no one wanted to move on Russia. Damn..we let them take over Asia/Korea. We were in no shape to handle them.
Too many people here played Risk in their youth.
In August 1945 we had two bombs. And four months before we got more.
The country was bankrupt. We were drafting into the freakin Marines.
There is no way we could have fought a three front war against Japan , and Russia/China with the personnel and materiel we had.
Those suggesting Patton was correct do not think globally or logistically.
Where would we get the EXTRA million men in Europe?
There was more interested in the destruction of Germany (again) than keeping Russia Contained.
We owned the logistics. But not the “will” or the terrain.
The other side was, of course, that we had just spilled oceans of blood and spent enormous amounts of treasure to free Europe from a horrible tyrant...and the Soviets came in and essentially enslaved many of the very same people (specifically including the Poles, who were the first victims in the war
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This quote is gold. We freed “our” allies. The Brits, French, Belgium, western Germany, Holland and Norway ARE America. Toss in Italy and Greece and what was left was Gypsy’s as far as most Americans were concerned. We sacrificed the Poles.
Who in Iowa was going to have his sone die for the Ukraine or Bulgaria?
*ping*
First of all since Japan was in the middle of invading China and murdering and raping millions of Chinese in Manchuria while the Russians were doing jack $hit to fight Japan and Stalin had a non aggression pact with Japan so I highly doubt the Chinese would have allied with the Soviet Union. In fact the Soviet Union waited to officially declare war on Japan until August 8, 1945 - 2 days after the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. This alone negates your argument.
Also in 1945 between the US Army and Navy America had 70,000 aircraft to the Soviet Unions 18,500. Furthermore the Soviet Union has nowhere near the aircraft manufacturing capability of the US. (source: https://airpower.airforce.gov.au/APDC/media/PDF-Files/Pathfinder/PF119-Worlds-Fourth-Largest-Air-Force.pdf)
Also in August of 1945 we had a Navy that dwarfed that of the Soviet Union:
BATTLESHIPS 23
CARRIERS, FLEET 28
CARRIERS, ESCORT 71
CRUISERS 72
DESTROYERS 377
FRIGATES 361
SUBMARINES 232
MINE WARFARE 586
PATROL 1204 119
AMPHIBIOUS 2547 275
AUXILIARY 1267 406
SURFACE WARSHIPS 833
TOTAL ACTIVE 6768
America would have easily blockaded the Soviet Union and Japan, wiped out whatever navy the Soviet Union had, and the US Army Air Corp and US Navy carrier aircraft would have eventually chewed up Soviet tanks and artillery without needing assistance from the UK, Canada, Australia, or France.
IMHO the removal of Patton and later McArthur led to politicians running wars. And we’ve lost ever since. Korea, Vietnam and the Iraq mess.
Yes, but there were zero operational at the end of WWII. Again, Truman would never authorize hostilities against the USSR.
The lack of will argument is the winner. We simply didn’t want to fight anymore. No idea about the ruskies.
What part of we were bankrupt don’t you comprehend. The bucket was empty. There were no more resources. Hardly any more people.
You seem to think the US was full of flag waving patriots willing to do anything. While that might have been true in 1944, the letters I read from 1945 were anything but enthusiastic.
Starving out Japan would have taken years and millions of lives. It wasn’t necessary.
Starving out Russia would not have happened.
China would have ended up ruling the world.
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