Neither are conservative Catholics, if the pope is to be followed as so many prior popes have exhorted.Conservative Catholics are the most likely to be censored under Francis. But the system itself is sadly the most manifest deformation of the NT church.
Nothing in Catholic doctrine requires mindless agreement to everything the Pope says in any context and on every topic. All of us (except the sedevacantists) are still obedient to the Pope as we are required to be.
If you disagree with me, don't bother arguing with me. Argue with Cardinal Burke, Archbishop Vigano, Bishop Schneider, St. Charles Borromeo, etc.,etc., etc. I guess you think they aren't Catholics either?
Ok guys, don’t read my thread as a capitulation or promotion of Catholicism lol. I’m not going to debate issues I already agree with you on. The thread title is the video title, and the subject—from the very courageous Vigano—is of general interest to the whole forum.