All this talk of secession is either harmless venting or complete insanity. Splitting the strongest nation on Earth into a bunch of countries each the size of weak European states is the road to ruin. There’s good a reason why divide and conquer is a time tested and effective strategy. I have to wonder if the Byzantines told themselves “We didn’t need Egypt anyway. Nor the Holy Land, nor Syria, nor Carthage, nor the rest of Anatolia. We still have Constantinople. What else do we need?”
We split up or become totally socialist because we can see where the union is heading. Only cry baby loser like you that still live in Commiefornica are crying about secession. Hear's an idea for you GTFO of CA and join the secessionists.
Is that enemy truly the clear and present danger that you think it is? For the sake of argument, say I accept that it is, I do not, but anyway say I did, mustn't I also believe that the strongest nation on earth would actually fight that enemy and win? There is no reason to think this except an ideal that we should and we could, but not that we would, especially considering the triumph of the left here.
Another thought to which I would appreciate your reaction, is fear America itself becomes the clear and present danger to the rest of the world. The left is now a threat to liberty in this country, and they can be expected to ally themselves with proponents of Sharia law on the one hand and communists on the other to defeat constitutional justice and the traditional concept of liberty here and everywhere. To continue with your historical analogy, 2 must I suffer the Byzantine tyrant to avoid the Ottoman despot? Must I suffer an Obama, to stop an Osama?!
"Complete insanity", you said. I recognize that you, SoCal Pubbie, 3 are using hyperbole sometimes; that you do not really mean that talk of secession is so foolish as to be like the ravings of a lunatic. Perhaps it is an error to think that the left cannot be defeated. "We cannot beat them, but at least we can go our separate ways." How naïve to imagine that the left will just let us go. Perhaps that is even the wrong thing to do. Better to die fighting than to witness the death of liberty. Perhaps the notion is utterly doomed to failure, but it is certainly NOT insane. It is easier to think of Muslims accepting defeat. A Muslim can accept defeat because he believes that the will of Allah is ultimately irresistible. "Kismet," he says. He does not have to do everything now all by himself. But the Left? Atheistic, socialistic, illiberal, the Left is in our streets now chanting "The time is now!" "If not us, who? If not now, when?"
The Left says the time is now. You are saying the time is not now. Neither insanity, nor harmless venting, this is an expression of urgency, of moral justification, of future option. I can't say that I agree with it, only that I understand it. My personal opinion is that we passed the point of no return long ago; that Murad II is sultan; that we are discussing whether he or his son after him will turn the Hagia Sophia into a mosque.
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1. Your historical allusion fails (sorry) because the fall of Constantinople, the rise of the Ottoman Empire, is too complicated a subject for those who know the history, and too remote from the average reader here on our wonderful forum. ↩
2. Perhaps a better analogy is found in WWII. We are told that the Nazis were so terrible, that we were forced to ally with the Soviets to defeat them. Does anyone still believe that? Perhaps many do, but it is not complete insanity to reject it. ↩
3. You are sir a Patriot and asset on this forum. Always enjoying your excellent posts and comments I continue to respect and appreciate your fine participation here!↩