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Watch the US Navy stealth destroyer Zumwalt successfully fire off a missile for the first time
Business Insider ^ | 10/24/2020 | David Larter

Posted on 10/24/2020 8:49:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: null and void

Two things a submariner won’t tell you: how fast his sub can go and its crush depth.


21 posted on 10/24/2020 9:45:34 AM PDT by luvbach1 (I hope Trump runs roughshod over the inevitable obstuctionists, Dems, progs, libs, or RINOs!)
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To: Blurb2350

The speed of a displacement ship such as this destroyer is limited by it’s speed length ratio (SLR). The hull design engineers create a hull form to mimic a longer hull.

If sufficient power is applied to make a vessel rise on plane then the S/L ration does not limit the speed.

A high powered tug with power way beyond it’s S/L ratio will not go up on a plane because of it’s hull design and may well actually go slower at full power due to the enormous waves created.


22 posted on 10/24/2020 9:46:30 AM PDT by Cold Heart (Portland Voted for IT)
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To: jpsb

“Displacement vessels (ships, sailboats) are limited in speed by the length of their water line”

Horsepower can overcome this ‘limit’.


23 posted on 10/24/2020 9:47:19 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

I was counting on a correction since that was only a layman’s guess.


24 posted on 10/24/2020 9:47:35 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Blurb2350

“how fast can a nuclear sub go”

Copy and google it.


25 posted on 10/24/2020 9:50:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Blurb2350

Only 80 VLS tubes.

A new Burke DDG has at least 96, comes in at 10,000 tons and is proven.

The Zumwalt was intended as an R&D platform.

Look for learnings to be added to the planned Large Surface Combatant.

https://news.usni.org/2020/08/27/top-level-requirements-for-large-surface-combatant-in-development-planned-spy-6-backfit-effort-in-flux

In the mean time we’ll keep building the Burke Flight IIIa. And a bunch are funded.


26 posted on 10/24/2020 9:52:11 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: davidb56
"they have guns that dont have much range, shells that cost half as much as a missile Each, a bow design that is unstable in heavy seas, engines that are very unreliable and a lot less fire power than a CG, but about the same size. Scrape the damn thing."

Looks like the Obama/Biden DOD did what they consider to be an effective job on the Zumwalt.

Their Chinese/Russian/Iranian masters are very pleased with what their money has bought.

27 posted on 10/24/2020 9:54:52 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: TexasGator

No, horse power can’t on a displacement vessel. At least not without sinking.


28 posted on 10/24/2020 9:55:12 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: TexasGator

Ooops, times like this is when I wish we had a delete. You are correct about hp and hull speed. I mis remembered what I was taught many years ago. Oh well.


29 posted on 10/24/2020 10:05:41 AM PDT by jpsb
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"No, horse power can’t on a displacement vessel. At least not without sinking."

Hull Speed: 28 knots

Top Speed: 45 knots


30 posted on 10/24/2020 10:07:29 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

Fantasque!


31 posted on 10/24/2020 10:25:55 AM PDT by null and void (Don't piss off old people. The older we get the less 'life in prison' is a deterent!)
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To: null and void

Funny, part of the ship in some views looks cartoonish.


32 posted on 10/24/2020 11:07:19 AM PDT by doorgunner69 (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

Got any ammo for that fancy gun yet?


33 posted on 10/24/2020 11:08:13 AM PDT by doorgunner69 (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T Jefferson)
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To: blam

I’ve heard nuclear aircraft carriers can top out at about 60 mph. Crazy if true.


34 posted on 10/24/2020 11:25:24 AM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: SeekAndFind

Chunk the 155s overboard and slot in some smaller, proven 5” guns. Or figure out if some army 155s can be made salt water resistant at a reasonable cost (probably not).

Submarines used to submerge with exposed 4 and 5 inch guns with no issue. Some US subs even had 6’ (152 mm) deck guns. Japanese used 5.5 inch guns (140 mm) on their subs. Conditions on the Zums can’t be any worse.

The problem doesn’t really seem so hard to solve. Someone didn’t want a solution.


35 posted on 10/24/2020 11:35:08 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: blam

I’ve heard stories the old Enterprise CVN-65 could flat out leave anything afloat in its wake she was so fast.


36 posted on 10/24/2020 12:03:57 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: Blurb2350

I believe that as they go faster, they begin to pitch down at the bow., increasing drag.


37 posted on 10/24/2020 1:39:05 PM PDT by brianr10
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To: davidb56

When I have built failures I don’t get paid. Why have we paid for this if it doesn’t work?


38 posted on 10/24/2020 2:05:25 PM PDT by oldasrocks
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To: Blurb2350

It depends on whether they are in hard water or soft water.


39 posted on 10/24/2020 2:07:40 PM PDT by oldasrocks
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To: Blurb2350
Has anyone successfully used cavitation on ocean-going vessels?

Assuming you mean supercavitation then it's been used on torpedoes and there have been tests done on larger underwater craft. Problem with it is that it's noisy. A submarine using supercavitation would be instantly detectable by any sonar system for hundreds of miles and the noise it generates would blind its own sonar.

40 posted on 10/24/2020 2:18:32 PM PDT by Lower Deck
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